| 8/9/2002 08:49 GMT |
steve |
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| thanks for the reply steve please email at kpercival9@aol.com so i can give you my address and you can tell me what i owe for the programme regards steve |
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| 8/9/2002 08:45 GMT |
Geo. R. Richardson |
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| I would really like to thank those who brought Shane Parker & Buzz Burrows together under the Boro Bears race jacket at Berwick last night. This & Steve's efforts [very well done I will say]will go a long way to show that the fans want Speedway back at Teesside. If only the message could be got through to Middlesboro Council, despite the efforts of a number of parties IT IS NOT GETTING THROUGH. |
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| 7/9/2002 20:00 GMT |
Steve |
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| Yes, I have just acquired a copy from a Bears fan having a clearout. E-mail me if you want it. |
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| 7/9/2002 14:27 GMT |
STEVE |
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| Would anyone have a spare copy of the MiddlesbroughVBelle Vue programme from 12/10/95 that they would part with for a fee |
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| 7/9/2002 07:29 GMT |
Cleveland Park track fan |
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| I have been to Brough Park quite a few times this season and the racing is better than nothing.But only just!!!! It is just not in the same class as our sadly missed track. |
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| 7/9/2002 06:06 GMT |
agree with porter |
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| Hi I agree with porter why not support Newcastle until speedway comes back to Teesside & any football team is better to watch than Middlesbrough anytime. |
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| 6/9/2002 19:38 GMT |
Porter |
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| Till the Boro are up and running my local track is Brough and will carry on cheering them. Must be something in the air though my football alligence has now been switched to Hartlepool for the last four years.Ps good luck to Shane and Buzz up at Berwick give it Rock all. |
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| 1/9/2002 06:52 GMT |
Dave Smith |
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| Is any one interested in a set of midlesbrough programmes from '81,83,86 &87, plus many from other years inc a couple of world finals,'81 wembly and '85 Bradford.Free to a good home, movment to a smaller place requires clean out.Contact redlead873@aol.com |
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| 28/8/2002 22:48 GMT |
mark wilson |
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| your right jase i remember it now i had to hold her back when she chased you down the stairs lol. dont worry mate ill keep on posting now its all fresh in me brain |
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| 28/8/2002 22:13 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Hi Mark Great to see you adding to this site again. Yes we did have some great times and very good memories. You were like my ELDER brother at times. You looking after me as a SPOTTY ! 14 year old in 85 and in the following few years,along with Brighty,Joly etc was very much appreciated. I am in contact with Joly again, now that I'm on the Railway. Please say HI to Lisa for me when you next see her.Glad it made you laugh,the comment about me being a hit with the ladies.Well there was Long Eaton(back in contact with her)Peterborough and Glasgow ! and a couple more I never told you about ! As for Denise at Sheffield,it was her who picked up the chair and went for me and Claire had to stop her ! God am I glad that C*W is out of my life.I've never been so happier now that I'm with Alison(4 years now !)and have a very good job. Unfortunately I can't say whether or not I will be at Berwick.I'm due back off Holiday that day and if I get back around Lunch time or early afternoon,then I will shoot up in the car with Trev and Andy Tillett.Still go to a bit of Speedway(Newcastle,Hull,Sheffield,Stoke,Wolves,Workington,Glasgow and Edinburgh)The racing at Newcastle is really good now.You should try it.Hope to hear from you again soon.Keep in contact. |
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| 28/8/2002 20:52 GMT |
mark wilson |
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| brighty keep in touch mate i heard you were in town the other week i aint got your email addy and i never know when your off shore gis a shout mate. ill stick you on the list charlie. jason please lad any team but newcastle id rather top myself than put me name with anything geordie. by the way lisa was round the other day we had a good chat about old times. stav that geoff pusey song. geoff pusey he rides around the track you hardly ever notice him hes always at the back. ID RATHER BE A TIGER THAN A BEAR. |
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| 28/8/2002 20:38 GMT |
mark wilson |
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| lol just been reading down on some of the old posts and found it very funny reading ahh those memories. stav do you remember me ? johns son ? well cast your mind back all those years ago at newcastle it was me who opened the lock on that shop it wasnt even locked the padlock was open i remember you filling your bag with old programmes lol. and as for you mr pipe_o_ramma we could of wrote a book on your exploites that little spotty face kid who started to tag along with the new upcoming crew. yes i was a bad boy at times getting the name mr middlesbrough from the speedway star for giving mr allen some abuse at peterborogh but you were no angel i remember stoping you from throwing chairs at denise in the bar at shefield, one of your many arguments. i like the your a hit with the ladies bit you wrote too made me and trace chuckle a bit. the lads always made you the butt of all the jokes jase but we all got on and had some really good laughs i just hope you werent refering to me when you said some of the lads couldnt handle there beer. |
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| 28/8/2002 18:09 GMT |
charlie |
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| nice one mark count me in charlie |
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| 28/8/2002 17:53 GMT |
mark wilson |
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| hi all aint been on for a while but learnt of paul bentlys testamonial and have been talking to a few of the old school, and i know of quite a few who would be intrested in getting a bus up to go eg: joly, me, trace, lisa, the old man, bri wiles, etc. so if anybodys up for it let us know or you fancy sorting the bus out count us in. it would be great to get some of the old crew back together, remember those double ts, them were the days. |
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| 24/8/2002 17:49 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| STEVE HARLAND OFFLINE.Just a short message to let everyone know that Steve will not be able to contact anyone or update the website etc for about a week.Normal service will resume as soon as possible. |
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| 24/8/2002 09:32 GMT |
Top Gun |
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| I'm with JP on this one. I listed Newcastle as my team, having put Middlesbrough down in previous years and never received a mention! In the words of a another famous Geordie I would "love it" if my team finished high enough to be able to proclaim my true allegiance. Anyway it looks like we have two options for next season. Bombard Speedwat star with sufficient support for a former team supporters chart, or do our own on this web site. I'm sure our administrator would be happy to support the idea. |
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| 23/8/2002 22:54 GMT |
Stavvy |
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| well Jason he who is not talking to me i'am of to cyprus for three weeks as for my team well i must admit i'am listed as a Poole fan because of havvy my team does not appear because it is doing c*** but all the riders are ex Boro I repeat all of them at this point i must point out I am definatly not Aurora but also say I would rather cut of parts of my anatomy than be listed in any Newcastle list...keep the sit going now while I'am away and remember no self respecting Boro fan would allow himself to be associated with the geordies in any way. |
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| 22/8/2002 22:04 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| The reason (and the only reason) why I'm listed as a Newcastle Fan in the Speedway Star Fantasy League , is so that I and people I know up at Newcastle can see how we are getting on against each other.Also I go to Brough Park many more times than anywhere else, so why not be in their List ? At least I'm mentioned ! Where's your team and name ? I will NEVER become a Geordie supporter.Also , like I have said many times before.I am a SPEEDWAY supporter and will Clap,Cheer or whatever for any team/rider that has done well.Anyhow,who are you Aurora,or is this another made up name ?? |
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| 21/8/2002 12:40 GMT |
Aurora |
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| Porter - glad to hear that your sister's still got some sense and Boro pride even though you seem to have taken to supporting Newcastle... Same goes for Mr Pipe, also listed as a Newcastle fan in the Speedway Star fantasy league. |
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| 18/8/2002 18:49 GMT |
AndyB |
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| Just remembered a fine old speedway song from days of you "lip up fatty ah lip up fatty fatty Owen" Priceless! |
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| 14/8/2002 20:16 GMT |
Harry Atkinson |
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| Attended the Veteran Speedway Riders Association Dinner at Holywell Green near Halifax on Sunday, sat with Linda and Bruce Forrester, Terry and Angela Lee, and Vic White among others. Reg Fearman was one of the speakers, he made a presentation to someone called Spence who has been involved in Speedway since 1928, Reg also mentioned both Terry and myself and later came and sat at our table and talked for quite a while, his wife died a few years ago he said, and I discovered that he used to go to the TT races in the IOM, and it turned out that he had been at the 1957 event,(the only one to be run over 8 laps), I was there too and recalled the Gilera, MV, and the fabulous V8(no mistake eight cylinders!)Moto Guzzi. Reg was going to Liverpool after the dinner, to arrange a memorial service for the late Peter Craven, as it is 40 years since his fatal accident at Old Meadowbank. I can remember talking to Peter in the pits on the Thursday at Middlesbrough when he made a solo attempt on the 3 and 4 lap record, he broke both and though Ove Fundin later broke the 4 lap, Peter will hold the 3 lap still. One member from the IOM aged 90, regaled us with the story that he bought a new Mazda sportscar to celebrate achieving 90, Vic White and myself commented that we would have liked to have been in the insurance agents office when he called to arrange cover. |
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| 13/8/2002 22:23 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| WELL JUST MADE MY VISIT TO ONE OF THE POOLE WEBSITES TO SEE THE DAILY CRUCIFIXION OF HAVVY NOT ONLY IS HE SOLEY RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS GONE WRONG AT POOLE THIS SEASON BUT AS HE IS FROM NEAR MIDDLESBROUGH HE IS ILLITERATE LIKE ALL THE POPULATION OF CLEVELAND BUT THE COUNTY(OR TOWN BORO)IS BEING SUPPORTED BY HIM(SAID POOLE FAN CALLED ANDY)AND HIS LIKE WHO PAY THEIR TAXES TO KEEP YOU LOT OUT OF WORK SITTING ON YOUR LAZY BUTTS.HE ALSO REQUESTED THAT I SHOULD FIND A NATIVE SITE(WHICH I DO) TO POST ON. SO I URGE ALL YOU ILLITERATE DEADBEAT LAZY SLOBS TO FLOOD THE POOLE WEBSITE WITH SOME CHARM FOR A CHANGE NOT BEEN TO MANY SPEEDWAY SITES BUT CAN'T IMAGINE ONE WITH AS MANY PRATS IN ONE PLACE.GO AHEAD BE COTROVERSIAL. |
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| 10/8/2002 23:01 GMT |
Steve |
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| CHARLIE - I got you a programme from Workington, mate. |
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| 10/8/2002 17:04 GMT |
Stavvy |
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| Tch what does that mean AndyB not the case I liked Sigalos,and are you by some chance suggesting that I'am being harsh..tut sorry the joker is just that get rid have six man teams and only the nymber six can come in when 8 points down despite the rules allowing it Mr Hancock as far as i'am concerned if it's four for a win not eight and why should a team as G.B. where and the Danes nearly where because someone gets eight for a win as a matter of fact without the joker G.B. would of finished third so please Herb stop it,but lets face it even allowing for the joker had Middlo used it(why didnt you?)when Mr louis said G.B would of had another four points and would I believe be in the final tonight Me though satisfied that the yanks are out I hope that those other flukey types the Aussies are in the position to use the joker again(and it don't pay off)as it will mean they are losing come on Sweden,Poland, or should that be the Czech Republic anyone will do even the Danes as a last resort.And can someone please get the Danish government to confiscate Ole rulechanger's passport on his return to Denmark they could lock him in the office at Vojens the worlds most boring slick gaters paradise of a track. Charlie will call you soon Bangers testi moanial(artistic licence here)will be on the 28th september I think dont forget my proggy if you go....well off to cheer for Rickardsson and his boys now.....oh nearly forgot AndyB claudios playboys will qualify for Europe and as we are going to finish in our usual place above the Riverside Ravers(to samba beat)and we always scrape the last Euro place that sort of deminishes the Ravers chances but that serves you right for insisting on employing plebs from the theatre of wet dreams |
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| 10/8/2002 09:32 GMT |
charlie |
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| noticed the lucky aussies got through with the joker and a rider could have been killed but lets gets to heat 20 nothing changes were money concerned how long is loram out for get in touch stav steve are the bears at berwick and glasgow and date is bangers meeting charlie |
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| 9/8/2002 22:32 GMT |
AndyB |
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| Tch! you used to say the same about Schwartz and Sigalos...what are Claudios playboys going to do this year Stav? |
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| 9/8/2002 18:24 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Congratulations to Steve and the boys who rode for Middlesbrough at Workington and good luck with getting more fixtures and if you manage to get a senior side in a full match I will be there.I would like to congratulate Banger on reaching his testimonial and hope it goes well on the big night.But as this is Stavvy time for a moan non Boro. Was it not nice to see the Yanks have the smile wiped off thier we are a team with the fighting American spirit not to mention that silly jig of his.Whilst not an ideal way to decide the final spot wether it's on seedings or race wins may I remind Herbie(Hancock)that the use of the pathetic and dubious joker(more pathetic rule tinkering just give us a bleedin racers track)put the yanks level with the Danes point one made,but to take it further if Pedersen had not fallen due to track conditions in the last race there would be even less to moan about.But if that is not enough Herbie that joker if not available to the good ol! U.S.OF A you good old yankies would not of even been third that would of been team G.B.But if thats not enough if it was possible to run a run off then it would of been possible to run another race were you might of been in that fourth position anyway.So not ideal but fair enough as the team that amassed the second highest unassisted score went through.But if you were screwed Herbert Hancock then welcome to the American way. Oh dear and here's moany Stav telling someone not to moan.....ha! ha! nice G.B support great to see. |
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| 9/8/2002 16:04 GMT |
Jeff Holmes |
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| Just read the home page (news) and I'm thrilled that the Bears are back on track and coming to GLASGOW! My son, Derek, races for the Glasgow youth team and remembers with great affection, his one and only trip to Cleveland Park. Can't quite remember what age he was (come to think of it, I can't quite remember what age I was!!) but we both raved about the track for a few weeks afterwards. Spartan it may have been, but it was a smashing track. Best wishes to everyone connected with the new venture and I hope it's a rip-roaring success. See you at Glasgow!! |
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| 6/8/2002 22:23 GMT |
AndyB |
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| Gerald Wiley eh Steve? Goodnight from me and goodnight from him!! |
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| 4/8/2002 10:44 GMT |
AndyB |
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| And allegedly (Steve should confirm this) Cleveland Park was known as the 'Wembley of the North' because of the shape and quality of the racing surface. In latter years Cleveland Park was known as the 'Woking of the North' but that's another scandal related story |
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| 3/8/2002 11:16 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| I will gladly go along with Lions.A new start and a new name,now all we need is a stadium.Lions seems very apt. If you have browsed the web site Middlesbrough have a lot of connections with Wembley,the most famous of the Lions.Glasgow were called Lions in 1939-1940 but after the war Wembley apparently complained and so Glasgow decided to call themselves Dynamoes.This didn't go down well and so they became Tigers.Isn't this site educational!!!!! |
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| 3/8/2002 10:31 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Good god ! I didn't mention the Tigers name to start off another debate and upset/bore people. I clearly mentioned the "we are the Tigers" as part of the song and not to make it stand out as though I was trying to start off this Bears/Tigers arguing again.I said "still is the best name" because that is what I was brought up on and it was a personal opinion and wasn't meant to start anything off again. Colin- You forgot to mention Trelawny Tigers and Mildenhall Fen Tigers.I could be wrong,but weren't Coatbridge once the Tigers ? There must be some more Tigers going earlier than the 70's ? Andy - The name Lions would be a good name to have and would make alot of sense to have that name. Good to see you are still sticking it out in the Navy.Didn't think you would last out.Proved me wrong again I see ! ! Off to work soon,so good luck with tonight Steve and enjoy it. STAV - Not speaking to you today ! ! |
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| 3/8/2002 09:47 GMT |
AndyB |
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| Ok see my earlier posting for this one but I'll re-iterate. If speedway in Middlesbrough is resurrected, would it not be good to have a new monicker for a new stadium/promotion etc. How about Lions? Reasons for which are that there aren't any others with that name, (might be wrong?) and the actual Middlesbrough crest is a blue lion surmounted by two ships and a star. What do you think???? |
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| 3/8/2002 08:19 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Steve,you are absolutely right.That is what a lot of people can't understand.Having said that I think there are too many Tigers i.e Glasgow ,who have been Tigers since 1946 and Sheffield who have been Tigers since 1938 (they had one season as the Tars in 1950,don't ask me why Tars!)Yes I do like Tigers but we were originally Bears.Are there any other Tigers teams about? |
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| 2/8/2002 23:17 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| Regarding the name of the team - always a contentious issue among us all. The older fans prefer Bears the younger ones Tigers and so the debate rages on and on. Thank Jason - due to the passage in time I was unaware of why we had changed back to Bears in 1989 but your posting here explains clearly why. At this stage all that matters is we have a team out on track. See you all at Workington - weather permitting! |
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| 2/8/2002 13:31 GMT |
Stavvy |
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| well tired old subject true I did prefer the Tigers personally but then I would prefer to have a team and not have to worry about a name. But Pipey I didn't think I had the better of you because I didn't have to outshout you,you seem to be going back again to the them and us thing yawwwwwnnn but I personally outshouted the opposition fans outshouting you never entered the equation but Mr Pipe don't forget I unlike you was in at the inception of the songs when they were created and if i remember rightly you were a little bit young at wimpy at the time to outshout a new born baby let alone a big gobbed bag of wind like me. As you go to Newcastle ask Barry Wallace he mentioned me in their programme and lets face it it takes some going for an outsider to get a compliment in a diamonds programme. |
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| 2/8/2002 10:10 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Same old subject Andy.I am tired of it as well.But not everyone knows Tigers was best.I think this should be put to one side and let sleeping Tigers/Bears lay.Lately I have found the Sky speedway a bit boring,few good races last night but it certainly needs someone to give the presentation a boost.At the moment, to quote you Andy,YAWN! |
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| 2/8/2002 09:34 GMT |
AndyB |
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| Yawn! tired old subject. Everyone knoes that TIGERS was the best! On a different topic, I just read Steves comments about Sky coverage becoming a tad indifferent. Who in your opinion would boost the coverage? Watching Tatum sometimes is embarrassing. I |
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| 2/8/2002 08:14 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Jason.The best name is only a matter of opinion.I think the Bears is best.My father who went to Middlesbrough speedway from 1945 until 1996 (yes he is still around) thinks Bears is best.I know people who started going in 1968 and to them Teessiders is best.Obviously the Tigers era was a good one for you (maybe this was when you first stated going,or taking notice)and so you lean towards that. |
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| 2/8/2002 02:06 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Stavvy was never out shouted when it came to a discussion or argument on Speedway. It was best to just let him get on with it and make him think he had the better of us all.Anything for a peaceful life ! ! He was always out shouted though when it came to a "we are the TIGERS"! Still is the best name.We only had to go back to being called the Bears in 89 because of the club going in liquidiation in 88 and having to come back in 89 with a new name because of it and with the Consortium that was formed to keep us going. |
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| 1/8/2002 18:31 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Porter depends on what you mean by outshouted and it's easy to deal or out argue glory hunting win at all costs because thats all that matters fools.These people obviously feel inadequate and must have sad lives if all they can do is kick a man when he is down.And before anyone mentions a former Bear/Tiger it took years of bad riding before I got a downer on him Havvy has been having a bad spell during a season and having watched both for years I know the differance between a genuine bad spell and a rider not trying but lets not go back there I believe Havvy gets a lot of stick because he is a northerner who our southern freinds at Poole seem top think inferior lets put it this way how many of these fools have been world champion at anything *OD them all and going back to your original question maybe Andy B and Jason p can answer that. |
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| 1/8/2002 08:58 GMT |
Andy Brighty |
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| Ken Burnett, didn't you once get banned from Eastbourne by old man Dugard??? |
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| 1/8/2002 06:11 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Porter - Get your Sister to Support SPEEDWAY.She doesn't have to support Newcastle.She could cheer the opposition.The first 2 seasons after we shut,I went to 40 odd neutral PL meetings in each season and really enjoyed watching them because it didn't matter what the result was.The bad feeling you had when Middlesbrough got beat away was taken away and it was more relaxing watching good racing.I used to pick my meetings carefully.Can't go to so many now because of work commitments,but still I get to a canny few.Would these people you have in mind watch Speedway in General or just a Newcastle v Boro meeting ? To me it sounds as though they are not TRUE Speedway fans. I more than alot of people would like to see the return of Speedway in the Boro,but I do not believe we would get brilliant crowds.I have always said the Tracks in towns that have good crowds at football, always suffer.It is a well known fact.Can you name me a Speedway track over the last 20 odd years that has had good crowds when the local Football team has been doing really well ? You could always tell at Cleveland Park when MFC were getting crowds of only 3-5,000 in the mid 80's as our attendances shot up.Now you know how we could afford those teams of 85 and 86 ! Would have been at some World Cup meetings myself,but due to work commitments and a Wedding to attend,I can't make it. PS Take your friends up to Glasgow or down to Somerset or Trelawney(St Austell).That will get the Speedway bug back for them !The racing at these tracks is excellent. |
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| 31/7/2002 21:32 GMT |
Porter |
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| Newcastle's crowds since that statement have gone up quite a bit in the last two matches. If the match ever went ahead Im sure I could persuade a hell of alot more people to watch a local derby than anyother meeting in the world my sister said that she'd go back to the speedway but would never support Newcastle . The support is there we just need a track sorry for sating the obvious. Alright Stavvy thought you put up a excellent argument for Havvy at the Pirates website makes me wonder have you ever been out shouted. The Poole fans may be a funny lot but they certainly fill up their stadium a great atmosphere. Shall be there when I go to all the World Cup matches. |
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| 31/7/2002 16:48 GMT |
Ken Burnett |
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| has any got or know of anyone who has any cine film of speedway, any club, rider or year, to borrow to transfer on tape? If so please contact me on 01323 469105 or by post to 23 Eastbourne Road, WESTHAM, Pevensey, East Sussex BN24 5NE.. thanks Ken Burnett. PS what a brilliant web site - well done. |
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| 30/7/2002 22:37 GMT |
Stavvy |
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| ANDY ANDY nice to see you back a Royal Marine yes but a nasty Royal Marine now now come on this is a family website and I know your not really nasty not scared anyway my father in law is ex SAS and he thinks I'am great so bring it on nasty Marine na na na just kidding but once again sarcy ass gets a comment .As for you Mr Pipe no neg vibes thank you very much and sort that George English out maybe crowds might not be as good as expected but would be better than a meaningless encounter against uncle bobs select which is all they can stage as their season will soon be over...what self respecting Boro fan would miss out on abusing a geordie? and like Mr Harland says it's to raise public awareness and if as a long shot it works Iam sure a couple of newcy Boro DERBIES would get bigger crowds than a match against(no disrespect)Trawlawny or Somerset speedway in the North needs a boost with the return of Boro and it's the duty of all promoters to do their bit.Actually on second thoughts forget that counting notes is the only thing they do. ta ta far nar |
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| 30/7/2002 16:22 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Sorry Colin,But I strongly disagree that a Middlesbrough team racing at Newcastle would fill the Bar and Terraces and for Newcastle to break even.It would be nice to see but as long as George English is Part of the Promotion(Keep up the good work George !),then I'm affraid it won't happen with a team made up of PL and/or EL riders.But then again,how many times have we known promoters to change their minds ? ! Maybe a junior meeting WOULD be possible.I speak to George quite alot at Newcastle and around the country.I don't want to come over all negative and I'm only stating facts after personally speaking to George.Even though we haven't been riding since 1996,this will make no difference.Also remember,alot of Boro Fans won't go to Newcastle because they think the track is very poor,which is one of the reasons those attendances were dropping between the two teams. It would probably take some persuasion to get those fans back to Newcastle and I know a few.These same fans I KNOW have not even been to Newcastle to see the good racing since we closed. We have to remember that there ARE quite a few ex Boro fans that go up to Newcastle anyway. The Fact is,when we were racing in the 90's at Newcastle,the crowds were well down compared to our meetings in the 70's and 80's.George would be stupid to risk this for a Challenge meeting and put Newcastle Speedway further into debt.Remember,He is only going on the facts from the last few meetings at Brough between us and he (He has told me) along with us would like to see this happen but we must be realistic and keep our eyes fully opened ! Sorry to be blunt but that's the way it is.Anyway,I AM FULLY BEHIND THE RESSURECTION OF THE TIGERS/BEARS,Believe it or not ! |
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| 30/7/2002 11:51 GMT |
andy brighty |
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| No sailors Stav, but a hell of a lot of nasty Royal Marines |
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| 29/7/2002 12:17 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| A bit more to my last posting.The Newcastle team I would like to see against Middlesbrough.N Pedersen.B Pedersen.K Bjarre.A Compton.K Little.D Watt and R Juul.I think that should be an OK meeting. |
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| 29/7/2002 10:10 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Steve.I am going for a nearly all Premier League team.I don't care if some are not too good round Brough but it would be nice to see these guys back in Middlesbrough colours.Shane Parker.Scott Robson.Paul Bentley.Alan Mogridge.Paul Pickering.Martin Dixon and Mark Courtney. |
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| 28/7/2002 23:24 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| PORTER did you enjoy your visit to the Poole website then? and you thought I was a bit weird still what can you do with a town full of jolly nice sailor boys (apologise to those fo you who have or are in the navy)but I suppose they suffer from that tired old southern trait delusions of grandure. |
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| 28/7/2002 22:35 GMT |
Andy |
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| MIKE SMITH and STUART SWALES have both retired from speedway. |
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| 28/7/2002 20:37 GMT |
Porter |
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| Shane actually won the George English Memorial back in 2000 at Newcastle so he is not adverse to the Premier League. My team would be 1 Shane Parker 2 Scott Robson 3 Stuart Robson 4 Paul Pickering 5 Paul Bentley 6 Mike Smith 7 Stuart Swales. I love to have others in but Svabb probs to busy, Dicko is pants around Brough , Walshie's still injured so that leaves our two superstars of 95 would love to see them back in action if they still have bikes.PS could always get Jesper to make an early comeback. |
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| 28/7/2002 19:51 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| Yes, Colin, Newcastle's attendances are 30% down on last season prior to the Hull match last week. The thrashing they gave the Vikings might mean a few more at Brough Park but the prospect of a home defeat against a strong Middlesbrough team would not draw a crowd. I suppose the only way we would find out would be for George English and Daryl Illingworth to offer us the opportunity to race against the Diamonds but not as a filler fixture. I was told today that 'Havvy' wouldn't ride for Premier League rates but Shane Parker probably would. Any Middlesbrough team picked to race against Newcastle would be better choosing locally based riders. Paul Bentley (Darlington) Paul Pickering (Hartlepool) Martin Dixon (Billingham) Scott Robson (Jedbergh) Stuart Robson (based in Coventry but father still lives in Sunderland) Will Beveridge (Bishop Auckland) |
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| 28/7/2002 19:13 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Jason.On the subject of attendances.It was on local teletext the other day that Newcastle were appealing to their fans.I can only repeat what was on text.It said their attendances are down 30 per cent from this time last season.Well I am sure Middlesbrough supporters would fill this gap if the meeting comes about. |
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| 28/7/2002 18:42 GMT |
Fred |
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| Hi Stavvy no i am not big Fred. You say Poole spell Middlesbrough wrong then you should have a look at the Bradford (in the team) sight, on one of the sections they spell Teesside Teeside & they call us northerners thick. My team would be 1. Gary Havelock, 2. Martin Dixon, 3. Shane Parker, 4 Paul Pickering, 5. Toni Svab, 6. Mark Lemon, 7. Scott Robson, with anybody but Tim Swales or Ken Knott as Team Manager. |
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| 28/7/2002 15:45 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Hi Steve Good luck next Saturday across at Workington and well done for getting OUR name back on to a Speedway Track. Unfortunately I can't be there because of work commitments. I mentioned to George English up at Newcastle about 2 years ago about a challenge match with an ex Boro side and I got a replies back of,"The Newcastle fans wouldn't support it and the crowd would be well down" ! "In Boro's latter years,the crowds for Newcastle v Boro meetings were very poor compared to previous years". "I would be better not running than having to face a big loss" I think the latter quote was said because of EL riders would be asking lots of money. It's worth a try again,but maybe Workington would be interested if they are looking for a challenge come September,early October ? The team I would look at is(baring in mind that the Riders aren't to be based too far away) 1. P.Pickering 2. M.Dixon 3. G.Havelock 4. M.Lemon 5. P.Bentley 6 Sc.Robson 7. M.Burrows. Newcastle or Workington to be allowed a top PL guest or an EL guest so they can drop a reserve and strengthen up. They would have home track advantage anyway.I would have riders like Stuart Robson,T.Svab,M.Smith and W.Beveridge on standby. Brian Havelock for team manager ? |
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| 28/7/2002 10:38 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| Thanks Porter, the comments you have left on here are appreciated. We are working towards a goal of some sort but who knows where it will end? That's part of the fun for me because there is no way I could ever have envisaged managing a team in a match on track. Having had a conversation with Tony and Jonathan Swales up at Newcastle in May all credit to them for arranging this meeting. Jonathan e-mailed me about a week and a half back and that's when things snowballed. I e-mailed two riders in particular who I knew would be interested: Chris Hunter and Jitendra Duffill (both local lads). I was told Chris Readshaw might be interested and to leave a place for Matty Swales. Also Newcastle Gems William Lawson had agreed to come down from Auchterarder near Perth in Scotland to race for us AGAINST Workington who have invited Mildenhall's JAMES BRUNDLE to appear. The problem I have is that we have FIVE lads wanting to ride and only four places but now we are having SIX heats. It will be great to see riders wearing the Bears racejacket on track again. The result is not as important as creating the public awareness though I want a decent performance in front of what should be a big crowd - just hope the weather holds! The other big news is that we are being sponsored by Hartburn Garage. The lads' dope and oil will be paid for them. Another northern track racing us in a challenge is a possibility though the original contact has not rang back as yet. I spoke to Kenny Smith on Thursday but it was only about arranging a possible junior meeting with Newcastle Gems but the thought of a double header involving former Middlesbrough riders does whet the appetite somewhat! If we did ride in a challenge match against Newcastle (I agree the previous match with the Diamonds was not really much of a Bears line-up) who would you like to see riding for us? 1 Gary Havelock 2 Scott Robson 3 Paul Pickering 4 Shane Parker 5 Paul Bentley 6 Will Beveridge 7 Martin Dixon If Havvy and Shane wouldn't ride for Premier League rates then perhaps Mark Courtney, Alan Mogridge & Stuart Robson could come into the equation. |
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| 27/7/2002 21:44 GMT |
Porter |
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| I think its great our name's been branded about again and from little acorn's hopefully tree's will appear. As for a full blown challnge bring it on I know the Newcastle promotion tried something along those lines in 99 but was a pathetic attempt as nearly all the team was reserves apart from Banga. Excellent work Steve the web site just keeps getting better and better. |
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| 27/7/2002 20:39 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| I am the king of firsts and despite popular belief I do a lot of agreeing ask Steve but as a matter of intrest Fred do I know you surely you are not the (big)Fred? and of course I am full of bright ideas.Like I said I have to admit to being a bit of a wind up merchant but mostly to stimulate movement in the guestbook may at this point direct like minded wind up merchants to the pirates postbag on the official Poole website and the mass destruction of Havvys reputation by those ever loyal pirates the type who watch home meetings read the speedway star and think that they are know alls then again most people who have watched a meeting at Poole will know that they are prats.....ps they can't spell Middlesbrough and think that anyone from Middlesbrough are more than a little thick so you have been told fight back for the good of Middlesbrough personally I hope all their boats sink in the harbour..now how about the challenge for the tigers(bears) at Newcastle . |
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| 27/7/2002 18:24 GMT |
Geo. R. Richardson |
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| Hi. Steve A challenge match against Newcastle is a brilliant idea, not only would it give Bears fans a chance to see thier beloved team, it would put our great need in the public eye.Hows this for Teams,Two Elite riders to each team. Bears. Diamonds. 1 G.Havelock. 7.36. 1 N.Pedersen.8.13 2 Sc. Robson. 7.43 2 D.Watt. 7.71 3 P.Bentley. 8.78 3 A.Compton. 8.06 4 P.Pickering. 7.95 4 K.Bjerre. 8.00 5 St.Robson 6.58 5 B.Pedersen.6.65 6 M.Courtney 6.69 6 K.Little. 6.61 7 M.Dixon. 4.86 7 D.Juul. 5.96 49.65 51.12 Cheers Geo. |
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| 27/7/2002 08:23 GMT |
FRED |
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| THAT'S A FIRST STAVVY AGREEING. |
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| 26/7/2002 15:54 GMT |
stavvy |
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| yep not to mention Moggo as well then of course there are numerous others just thought i would throw down a nice easy challenge for the black and white boys may even be willing to travel from London for it.....might even get some good old light hearted abuse in for old times sake. |
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| 25/7/2002 22:56 GMT |
Steve |
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| Stavvy - It's a great idea you have put forward. I will make a suggestion to Kenny Smith who runs the Conference League team. I don't know if Havvy and Shane would ride for Premier League rates but it would be great to see Kenneth Bjerre against them both! I'm sure Paul Pickering would come into the equation too. Thanks to everyone for the messages of support. |
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| 25/7/2002 22:07 GMT |
Malcolm McPhie |
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| Good luck to you and the 'BEARS' at Workington Steve. See you in the bar, and if Kenny Smith beats Ginger in the vintage race, I'll buy you a pint. |
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| 25/7/2002 20:32 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| OOPS! STAVVY AGREEING WITH SOMEONE ALL OF YOU IN FACT WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE PRAT WHO MADE THE CALL IS MOST DEFINATLY NOT ME OH SORRY TO USE THE WORD PRAT AS I'AM SURE SOME THINK I AM ONE BUT THATS LIFE COME ON HARLO DON'T LISTEN KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK WHEN DID ANYBODY RIDE FOR BORO UNTIL THE FIRST TIME AT LEAST SOMEONE MADE THE EFFORT AND A PROMOTER IS WILLING TO STAGE IT NOW WOULD AN EX TIGERS/BEARS MATCH NOT BE A GOOD DRAW AT NEWCASTLE LET ME SEE BANGER,DICKO,COURTNEY,HAVVY,THE TWO ROBSONS AND SHANE PARKER WOULD BE A NICE STRONG TEAM AND THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS NOW DO THE BLACK AND WHITES HAVE THE BOTTLE?..WELL DONE STEVE. |
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| 25/7/2002 15:12 GMT |
Tony Richardson |
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| I agree with my Dad & Colin. It doesn't matter that they have never rode for Middlesbrough exept Chris, it is the fack that they are local and want to put on the Boro race jacket. |
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| 25/7/2002 14:16 GMT |
Harry Atkinson |
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| re the complaint, perhaps he would reveal to us what positive steps he has taken to enhance the image of Middlesbrough Speedway. |
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| 25/7/2002 11:35 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| I just have to say I totally agree with Geo.Over the past two years Steve Harland has put a hell of a lot of work in getting this far.Now he has managed to get a team together and a sponsor.He deserves a pat on the back for putting Middlesbrough Speedway back on the map,not some person complaining about the make up of the team.Good on you Steve. |
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| 25/7/2002 11:09 GMT |
Geo. R Richardson |
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| Hi. I cannot believe that someone would, complain, about the make up of a Middlesboro/Teesside team. Surely anything that puts our beloved TEAM in the public eye can only be GOOD. Steve and all connected with this venture are to be highly commended, and lets remember, its out of there own pockets. Keep up the good work lads, lets hope its not too long before we are watching a team compete somewhere near TEESSIDE. Cheers Geo. |
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| 25/7/2002 10:26 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| BORO BADGES.Can anyone help? I am trying to find out if Middlesbrough issued club badges in 1946 and 1947.There was a badge issued in 1948 with a 1948 bar.I know this because I do have one but the two prior years are a mystery.They are not even listed in the sales items in a 1947 programme.Maybe one of our much treasured older supporters can help out. Just as a matter of interest on the 1948 badge the lettering is TEES-SIDE SUPPORTERS CLUB. |
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| 22/7/2002 20:19 GMT |
Steve |
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| Yes. You need an ACU licence AND a speedway riders licence, with insurance it will cost you about 100 pounds. |
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| 22/7/2002 11:40 GMT |
Interested person |
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| Would you need a licence to ride in these type of events? |
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| 21/7/2002 18:58 GMT |
Stephen Harland |
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| Stacey, Does Brian still have his bikes? Would he be interested in riding again? |
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| 17/7/2002 17:03 GMT |
stacey turner |
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| HEY. did u know..... brian turner is my uncle!!! |
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| 12/7/2002 18:12 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Hi Stav, No, Cat has not got my Tongue.Been really busy of late,as I am now having to learn 10 Signal Boxes that I am starting to Cover( going to be grabbing lots of extra overtime ! ).This and alot of time spent on the Speedway discussion list in Yahoo Groups,under Motorcycle Speedway has limited my time spent in our guest book.The 'List' is worth looking at,as you get all the up to the minute news and results and all the rumours that are about 99% correct ! and all the usual banter between fans from all over the world. Also you have Jan Steachmann putting in his two penneth worth! Jan is on it every day ! It's very interesting.You must set up a seperate Folder in your Inbox because all posting from everyone,whatever they are about,go straight into your Inbox and you spend ages quickly browsing them and deleting.Somedays I can have over a 100 postings to read.If I leave it 2 or 3 days to look,then I have about 500 ! It can be a pain sometimes going through them and then deleting (you need the time !)but it can be worth it if like me you want all the gossip straight away.Join up Stav and then you can banter all you like with alot more people.I've stopped posting messages on here that have no relevance to this guestbook unless something does need putting right,as things were getting a bit out of hand and too personal. |
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| 12/7/2002 18:02 GMT |
andy brighty |
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| I have a video of Tom that I took at a Northallerton grasstrack meeting shortly before he died. He was puffing away on his pipe and had no less than Cribby spannering for him from the back of an old Citroen. |
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| 10/7/2002 22:09 GMT |
Steve |
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| OK Stavvy - the chap who sent me the photo of Tom had a virus on his computer which I was unaware of and when I opened the attachment he sent me I inadvertently downloaded a virus that has wiped out all my Windows files. He was selling some stuff on Bristol Speedway and I asked him if he had anything on Tom Leadbitter and he sent me that photo. Unfortunately I had to delete said e-mail because of all the problems it caused me. It was a profile shot of Tom pictured at Buxton Speedway. What happened was that this chap goes up to Buxton and sees this face and thinks, hang on a minute, I'm sure that's Tom Leadbitter! So he goes over to him and asks if it is Tom and it was, he was riding there to get some practice for a vintage meeting in Scotland, sadly Tom died a few days before the meeting, so that will have been the last photo of him ever. Can't believe what happened after all that as I know people really are interested in former riders. |
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| 10/7/2002 21:06 GMT |
stavvy |
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| Steve I forgot to mention the sheffield fan mentioned he had not seen the last photo of Tiger(what a name)Tom Leadbitter(what a rider)he sent you I would also be interested .And Jason whats the matter cat got your tongue or is it full of Macarone....bad joke I know. |
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| 10/7/2002 21:00 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| PS Ian I forgot to mention that the whole Pusey thing was started by a Sheffield fan who was disgusted with said riders behaviour at his own testimonial.I moved on years ago regarding the one incident(BERWICK) I was asked a question by I think Jason and I answered it and again I repeat I could of got Geoff sacked after that incident but asked Swalesy not to sack him. I move on years ago I now watch soap operas listen to classical music, read books,and learn a different language but I'am sure you realy wanted to know that on a speedway guestbook don't you Ian? like I have said most of what i say is to stimulate a response and get a bit of life into the guestbook as your posting goes to show but if your not happy with it I hear the Chelsea(couldn't resist)flower show has a great web site and guestbook. |
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| 10/7/2002 20:46 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Well Ian you are the one harping on about one incident as do others one match against Newcastle which he did not win on his own ,and we still had other matches we could of won the league in so please tell me how did one performance.As for ten years well he was solid at home and popular with those who rarely watched him away.In 1976/77/78 pre Pusey we were pretty crap away but we acknowledged the effort.But to watch Mr Pusey struggle away even on small and tracks similar to Cleveland park most times without much effort.But lets dissect the one incident shall we then.You obviously think it's ok for a rider to verbally and physically abuse fans.Even when a rider is beaten by juniors after he made the gate four times and finishes last three times and second once(in a 2 rider race).Then again there was the memory of Steve Wilcock shaking his head in disgust when Mr pusey couldnt keep up on a track as small as Eastbourne.Then of course there was many other performances away like that Berwick one too many to mention.Or his run in with Brian Havelock at Poole when he was replaced in a race he threw a wobbly even though a corpse could of rode better.Alan Armstrong , Dave Butt, John Clegg , Bernie Collier, Jim Burdfield many of our riders struggled away the difference is they rode their hearts out and bust a gut.But then unlike Geoff they were never heat leaders(stoke /chesterton). Now I like many others spent a fortune travelling around and I at least expect my money to be paying tryers, not someone who was happy taking the start money because he made enough emptying slot machines.I travelled away to watch the team consistantly for 12years and felt let down by Geoff on a lot more than one occassion.Then of course there was the occassion were we had to hide Mr Pusey from the police for his streaking incident.I could also mention numerous visits mostly unwarrented to the refs box.I also repeat I worked in the pits for a while so saw Mr P close up. So please Ian believe me it's not the one incident I repeat the previous question regarding points splits and suggest if you have them get out your programmes and see the likes of people he beat when he had a decent meeting.I could name many who were not as good but tried harder. One 15 point maximum does not win a match or a league title so please you stop harping on about one incident and stop basing everything on 7 or 8 decent home meetings a season. |
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| 10/7/2002 18:50 GMT |
Ian |
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| The thing is Stavvy, if 'Puse' was as bad as you make out then why did he sustain ten years in the Middlesbrough team? You seem to be keen to dwell on one incident that occurred many years ago and long since forgotten by most of us. Sure all of us had our favourites and some of us even had riders we disliked but why not just let sleeping dogs lie? As I remember it Geoff Pusey's 15-point contribution from reserve in that match against Newcastle paved the way for the rest of the team to beat the Diamonds and therefore win the first league title to come to the town for over 30 years. I'm sure Steve will be able to find the home and away averages for you. I remember the 1986 season and lost count of the number of last heat deciders the club lost away from home that season. What about the riders who let us down in those races? Did we hold a grudge agains t them because they were doing the business at home but not away. Time to move on, Stavvy. |
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| 10/7/2002 13:29 GMT |
Stavvy |
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| well we did win the league don't have the records so could you enlighten me as to his(G.P) figures for 82-85 and as a matter interest his home/away split for 81 ta very mucho. |
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| 6/7/2002 21:18 GMT |
Steve |
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| Today I had a look at Geoff Pusey's away scores during the 1981 season and apart from one or two duff displays at the likes of Exeter and Peterborough he was usually providing some good scores for a second string/reserve. His average for that season was 7.23. |
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| 6/7/2002 09:24 GMT |
Andy Brighty |
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| Did the Spink brothers ever get a 5-1 for us??? T |
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| 6/7/2002 09:24 GMT |
Andy Brighty |
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| Did the Spink brothers ever get a 5-1 for us??? T |
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| 6/7/2002 00:52 GMT |
Steve |
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| I've nailed the mystery at long last! I've checked my programme collection. The photos were taken at Cleveland Park on 20th May, 1982 when Newcastle were visiting in the Knockout Cup. We were operating r/r for Frank Auffret and Alan Armstrong was riding at seven and Peter Spink was named at number eight but didn't get a ride. So Paul Boothby was spot on - cheers! |
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| 4/7/2002 16:31 GMT |
Steve |
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| Unfortunately it is Colin who has the scanner and he has gone on holiday to Italy this week so I cannot put the pictures in the news section - sorry. Brian Manning was a junior with Rye House though I don't think he ever appeared in their first team. |
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| 4/7/2002 13:07 GMT |
pop |
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| Steve put the photo's in the news section so that everybody who visits this site can have a look, then suggest that they leave a message in the guestbook of who it is. |
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| 4/7/2002 07:58 GMT |
Paul Boothby |
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| Colin/Jason, my guess is a number 8 'borrowed' for the night at an away meeting who managed to sneak 1 ride and somehow got a 2nd place. Remember we rode r/r for Auffret a lot at the beginning of 82. |
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| 4/7/2002 07:21 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Hi Jason. Wish I knew who Brian Manning was,or is! This is the reason I put the list on.It may be a mistake in the book,but it has got me stumped. |
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| 3/7/2002 20:56 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Hi Steve, Can you please email those 2 photo's of the rider in question from 1982 and I may be able to see who it is? He may have been wearing a pair of Brian Havelock's old leathers and not sponsored by him. Couldn't of seen Havvy sponsoring anyone when he was still riding himself at Stoke in 82. Or was that 83 ? Who was Brian Manning ? ? |
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| 3/7/2002 17:39 GMT |
Steve |
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| Hi Paul, It was two individual photos I was looking at - not a team picture. However, it sounds very promising. There is a magazine coming out soon on Middlesbrough Speedway and the editor wants clarification before going to print. More details to be revealed very soon. Thanks for your help with this matter. |
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| 3/7/2002 07:37 GMT |
Paul Boothby |
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| Steve, the 1982 home team against Newcastle in the Knock Out Cup was 1)Wilcock 2)Pusey 3)Dixon 4)r/r Auffret 5)M.Spink 6)Price 7)Armstrong 8)P.Spink. Wasn't this team picture you saw was it? Paul |
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| 2/7/2002 21:53 GMT |
Porter |
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| Anybody want to read some back biting messages between Reading and Newcastle fans should go to Readings unofficial site and go in the club forum then Reading general and then Dirty Dirty Morris, it s a very good read. |
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| 2/7/2002 21:08 GMT |
Steve |
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| Whoever it is has a moustache and a number 8 racejacket. There is another rider at number 7 but I thought Alan Armstrong rode there in 1982 - this looks nothing like him! |
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| 2/7/2002 13:23 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Hi Steve Definately wasn't Peter Tarrant, as he rode as cover for Bernie in 1981, like Paul says.Just being looking at a Peter Tarrant photo, with him in plain black and red leathers .I remember Peter Spink but can't confirm it was him or not. Didn't Alan Armstrong do just a few meetings for us in 82 aswell as 81? Could be him ? |
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| 2/7/2002 11:25 GMT |
Paul Boothby |
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| Steve, think it's more likely to be Pete Spink in 1982. He certainly rode for us then (vs Berwick/Ellesmere/Long Eaton/Milton Keynes/Rye House/Stoke) as well as in 1978. I think Peter Tarrant rode at the end of 81 when Bernie Collier had an injury (?). Someone else will probably be able to confirm the sponsorship or be more certain than I am. Paul |
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| 1/7/2002 18:21 GMT |
Steve |
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| Can anyone help us identify a rider from 1982? He rode mainly at reserve, possibly only for a short period. Was it Peter Tarrant from Rye House or possibly Peter Spink from Peterborough? He was sponsored by Oxbridge Bathrooms (Havvy's business). |
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| 23/6/2002 15:19 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Hi Steve - Please can you add some more info about Mark Fiora, in Where are they now? He is now running the family brick business in Littlehampton which is in Adelaide. He has also bought a Pub in an old German town of Harndorf in the Adelaide hills, which he leases out and it is doing a very good trade and always packed with people having meals. Apparently he is making a fortune ! The sad news though, is that he has split up with his wife Julie (Paul Thorp's sister). He still see's the kids quite often and they live with Julie in the same town as Mark's Pub. Mark has a house in Littlehampton were his business is. Mark apparently quit Speedway while he was laying on the track injured from a practice day crash with Gary Havelock before an Aussie v England test match in 89/90. He broke his Hurnorous bone in his shoulder. I've not spoken to Mark,but I have exchange emails with a lady who runs the South Australian Speedway solo's and Sidecars committe and she see's Mark quite often. This lady has also being making riders helmet covers for 17 years and they are worn by a few GP riders aswell. Hopefully I will be in contact with Mark Fiora himself very soon and I will keep you posted of any other news I find relavent to be put on this guestbook. Also Steve, This lady knows Ashley Norton very well, so if you want to contact her yourself then give me a ring and I will give you her Email address. |
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| 23/6/2002 14:45 GMT |
Porter |
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| I was actually quite shocked that our fans used to be that imposing I know my sisters did alot of the away matches around those periods and had a wicked time but Ive never heard of any trouble before. My only exerperience with the travel club was in 94 me and my mate were only 14 and could'nt get to Newcastle. All the way there it was getting as drunk as possible and swearing as much as possible. Needless to say we did'nt fancy using the travel club again plus we got beat in the B fixture. |
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| 21/6/2002 20:04 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| GEO when I first made my remark about teaching them everything they know it was tongue in cheek the lads in Jasons group know full well that it was tongue in cheek to be perfectly honest I don't really know where the 2 groups thing came from.I have just watched a video of the Berwick match that fatefull season and lo and behold there were people from the 2 supposed factions standing together singing together including the mentioned Llewelyn and myself for example and i do believe a rather young looking upstart called Pipe and another youthfull chap going by the name Bright(was that you steve dressed in black)I have mearly stated facts regarding Mr Pusey and sir felix fiora after all i was there for both.Regarding Tim Swales wether or not chairman of the bspa a promoter should know the rulebook inside out and I repeat my letter in the speedway star it was directed at promo's in general and I did keep to my side of the bargain he didnt.Going back to Geoff well the story was in the speedway star and mail and they certainly didn't get it from me.Don't think it was going anywere until Jason made the loss of respect thing.Don't really see what this guestbook has to do with any return of speeedway to Boro, so what have you heard then?sorry GEO but at least a bit of life has been thrown into the guestbook I will be away for 2 weeks from Sunday so the desruptive influence will be gone but I do not apologise for anything i have said about G.P T.S OR MF It's all true as for the 2 groups well i think I have made it clear that i don't think there was 2 groups but like everything else you have to prove yourselves and most of them did.This is a notebook for fans ex riders etc but most will be connected to boro in some way doubt that a promoter would base a decision to start a track on a guestbook on a website so lets get this into perspective shall we see you all in two weeks.Hello Sandy why have you not been in touch? |
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| 21/6/2002 10:48 GMT |
Geo.R.Richardson |
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| Hi. Was Kelvin [P..t] Tatum for real last night his antic's in heat one last night were beyond belief, or was he trying to spice up the meeting [ I hope so ]I thought a Brasilian had taken up Speedway. This match was a bad advert for more Pl.speedway on sky, they should come to Newcastle, [sorry]. Glad to see the banter between Jason & STAVVY has toned down, it was going a bit too far & was not good for the return? of speedway to Boro/Teesside. This period of bad publicity was not good for Middlesboro Speedway and Tim Swales [was'nt he promoters association chairman at the time]and is best consigned to the past.Cheers Geo. |
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| 21/6/2002 07:19 GMT |
Sandy Spink |
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| Well Jason, you have asked about Glasgow! Mick was never asked - we were laughing about it last night as he said he would have probably have said 'go away' anyway(well he didnt actually put it like that! The last place he would have wanted to have visited on 1 November was Glasgow! Remember the year well as we had just brought our first house and were well busy doing it up and looking forward to the end of the season to have more time to do so. And, he was also, as far as we were lead to believe, a Canterbury asset as they had purchased him from Boro. Hope that clears up your argument!! But its a long time ago now and water under the bridge. |
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| 20/6/2002 19:38 GMT |
Terry Gardner |
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| Colin-just to confirm that the rider in the photo on the news page is definitely Brian Mckeown. |
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| 20/6/2002 15:38 GMT |
JASON PIPE |
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| Hi Colin. The play offs is a new thing for the EL this year. When all league meetings have been run, the 2nd placed team race against the 5th placed team and the 3rd placed team race against the 4th placed team. The two winners meet in a Semi final and then the winners race Eastbourne over two legs, with Eastbourne having the choice, whether to race at home or away first. I'm not too sure whether or not those meetings 2nd v 5th and 3rd v 4th are only over one leg ? Has anyone else yet joined Yahoo groups ? If not, go to http//groups.yahoo.com/group/speedway/ and register to join the Speedway discussion site. You get all the upto minute news,results,banter and you can send emails to all other supporters. Looks good,but beware as you start getting loads of emails sent to your email inbox that are about somebody else's discussion ! Try it. you will be impressed. Let me know what you think ? |
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| 20/6/2002 14:17 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Jason,I have given up trying to follow the rules! I believe this year the team that finishes top of the league doesn't automatically win the champioship.It is the winner of the play offs.Is this correct and was it like that last year? I agree about Adam Shields,he has come on a treat and won the match for Eastbourne along with Lyons and Stonehewer.(Was it Eastbourne I was watching!)I was at Belle Vue on Monday night and it was guest reserve Steve Johnstone with 12 points who earned Eastbourne a draw.Belle Vue had Buzz Burrows,who did try but was out of his depth.Loram had 4 rides and Screen 5 rides and neither managed a heat win.I don't really like to praise "that league" but it was an excellent meeting. |
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| 20/6/2002 10:49 GMT |
JASON PIPE |
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| WELL WELL WELL , IT HAS FINALLY HAPPENED LIKE WE EXPECTED IT WOULD AND EASTBOURNE OF ALL TEAMS ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE GOT AWAY WITH IT ONCE AGAIN !! ( YES I REMEMBER THAT PAUL CLARKE RETIREMENT IN 1985 ASWELL). DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT CARL STONEHEWER GUESTED FOR EASTBOURNE AT COVENTRY LAST NIGHT ? WHICH GP RIDER WAS HE GUESTING FOR ? AS THEY ONLY HAVE ONE GP RIDER IN LORAM AND HE WAS RIDING. HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING HERE ? DID YET ANOTHER NEW RULE CHANGE COME IN AGAIN YESTERDAY MORNING WHICH SEEMS TO BE A WEEKLY THING AT THE MOMENT ? ! IT'S DEFINATLEY THE ' TERRY RUSSELL EL ' I BET RUSSELL LANNING HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT ASWELL BEHIND THE SCENCES !!!! VERY IMPRESSED WITH ADAM SHIELDS LAST NIGHT, WHICH I HAVE BEEN SINCE LAST SEASON. |
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| 20/6/2002 00:58 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Sorry Jason forgot to address the 2 groups thing I think we were one group with to lead singers as for the lads not liking you outsinging us whatever it was lets be fair here it was justified you were so out of tune and your what do you ma call them hadn't dropped yet....joke joke cool it |
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| 20/6/2002 00:49 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Just returned from scouse land via Coventry vs Eastbourne a little tired so just a quick one now the knife thing I never actually said you or anyone else did but a peterboro fan made the accusation i think i did say it was pap basically,as for you being approachable i didn't say never just on occassions(alcahol induced)as for Tim Swales Andy I can assure you the Paul Clarke thing is true Myself and Tim Smith had to point out the no return from retirement rule within a certain amount of time so Clarke was illegaly used remember I made referance to this on screensport about Danny duntons involvement here i do believe you were all there i have just been given a copy of the video and lo and behold there are lads from both groups being interviewed and getting on rather well Llewelyn included.I also tongue in cheek suggeted we taught you all you knew like it or not we did lead the way and you followed but that is due to age differance.I moved down south in 88 so don't really know much after thatbut a lot of what I have said was done tongue in cheek and to stimulate and provoke some action to the guestbook.Some of the stuff seems irrelevant but it has still brought life to the guestbook I have never took anything negetive you lot have said seriously anyway. Tonight I stood with friends from Coventry and Eastbourne friendships which were forged 22 years ago and I only got to know them because I was a wind up merchant.I don't think I have ever turned my nose up at any of you I have know jolli longer than chan Llwelyn longer than anybody in fact since 1975 when he used to go with his mum.Even after i moved south i always mixed with you at the southern tracks.The only thing I have been serious about was the Pusey thing I did not do anything to provoke him ,i kept him in a job when Swales wanted to sack him after the Berwick incident.Andy there is nothing he can say in his defence he attacked me some 2 hours after the meeting had finished plenty of time to calm down no heat of the moment thing here.It is a fact and you all know about it so what is there for him to defend himself as for his riding if you went to away matches you also know he can't defend himself here.As for Swalesy i have already said he didn't know the rulebook for the Paul Clarke incident so he might of got it wrong for Glasgow might i repeat.Did you see him eat the straw hat nope it's there in the programme have a look.As for the confession well the bottle of whisky i presented was a prize Havvy junior on his return in the world championship qualifier as a Bradford rider who supplied the prize.....Tim Swales...HA! HA! but i still gave it away.Like I said lads a lot is tongue and cheek go to the Poole post bag there is some serious cra* on there oh and before i go i nearly forgot 1 last serious thing Boro really are **** lol |
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| 19/6/2002 20:24 GMT |
Tom Marriott |
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| Great site!...really like the old stuff as I remember the Provincial League and riders. Keep it up!. I wish more sites remembered the past as well as today. Tom Marriott Ontario, Canada |
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| 19/6/2002 09:03 GMT |
JASON PIPE |
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| SPOT ON ANDY. IT WAS BEGINNING TO GET STUPID THIS GUESTBOOK AND GETTING TOO PERSONAL AND CHILDISH AND I WILL TAKE MY SHARE OF THE BLAME FOR THAT. WE SHOULD BE JUST STICKING TO OUR REMEMBER WHENS AND RELIVE THOSE GOOD MEMORIES AND FIRE A FEW QUESTIONS AT EACH OTHER. WE ALL KNOW WE COULD BRING UP ALOT OF THINGS UP ON HERE, BUT LIKE YOU SAY ANDY, IT IS BEST TO LEAVE THOSE SORT OF THINGS OFF THIS GUESTBOOK. WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR BEST MEMORIES ANDY FROM OUR TRIPS AWAY ? BY THE WAY , THANKS FOR THE MANY TRIPS YOU TOOK ME ON. IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU I WOULD HAVE HARDLY GOT TO ALOT THAT I DID AND I WOULD NEVER HAVE GOT IT ON WITH VICKI FROM LONG EATON , WHO I AM NOW BACK IN REGULAR CONTACT WITH. THANKS ANDY. |
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| 18/6/2002 20:46 GMT |
Andy |
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| I think on reflection some of the issues brought up on here in the past week are irrelevant. Personally, I don't think its healthy to criticise someone when they haven't got the opportunity to reply. Both Geoff Pusey and Tim Swales appear to be taking most of the flak for things that happened over 10/20 years ago. We've heard from Stavvy now it would be nice to hear from Geoff and Tim and then any visitors could make their own minds up about certain issues that appear to remain unanswered. |
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| 18/6/2002 10:31 GMT |
JASON PIPE |
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| HI PAUL, THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP ABOUT JIM BURDFIELD. AS I SAID, I WASN'T 100% SURE. JIMBO WAS A GREAT 2ND STRING RIDER AND I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT 2ND PLACING IN THE FOURS FINAL AT PETERBOROUGH IN 1986 AND BEING ONE OF THE ONES THAT CARRIED HIM OFF HIS BIKE ON THE 4TH BEND AFTER THE RACE AND TOOK HIM OVER TO THE TROPHY ON THE CENTRE GREEN ! THANKS ALSO MUST GO TO AN EX RIDER, PAUL WHITTAKER FOR KEEPING THE ARENA ESSEX RIDER ( I THINK IT WAS MIDDLEDITCH ?) BACK IN 4TH PLACE SO THAT 2ND PLACE FROM BURDFIELD WAS ENOUGH FOR US TO WIN IT AND NOT HAVING TO GO FOR A RUN OFF IF ARENA HAD CAME 3RD. IAN WEDGEWOOD, NOW THERE'S A BLAST FROM THE PAST ! ALWAYS REMEMBER THE TIME IN JUNE 1985,A FEW DAYS BEFORE OUR STAND WAS BURNT DOWN, WHEN WE DID A 3 DAY SOUTHERN TOUR, SUNDAY AT RYE HOUSE, THE MONDAY AT EXETER AND THE TUESDAY AT POOLE. IAN WEDGEWOOD TRAVELLED TO RYE IN SUSSEX INSTEAD OF RYE HOUSE AND ONLY ARRIVED AT RYE PARK FOR THE 2ND HALF !! STAV - DON'T KNOW WHY JIMBO COULD ALTER HIS FLIGHT AND NOT FELIX. MIGHT HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DESTINATIONS ? BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WHAT HAPPENED TO TRANSFERING FLIGHTS ? SOMETHING WE WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT AND ALSO, WHAT DO WE BELIEVE EVEN IF WE WERE TOLD IT NOW. COME ON SPINKY IF YOUR BROWSING OR SANDY. WHAT WERE YOU TOLD OR WERE YOU EVEN ASKED TO RIDE FOR FIORA AT GLASGOW ON NOV 1ST 1985 ? OR WERE YOU JUST NOT ALLOWED ? |
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| 18/6/2002 09:49 GMT |
Paul Boothby |
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| Hi Jason, re your note from yesterday morning. Jim Burdfield did ride a few matches at reserve in 1985. He rode at no.6 paired with Ian Wedgwood or Mark Crang. In fact he scored a 4 ride paid max (9+3) whilst at number 6 against Glasgow. Cheers......Paul |
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| 17/6/2002 20:25 GMT |
JASON PIPE |
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| HI AGAIN. STAV - I DO REMEMBER SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TIME WHEN YOU PUT UP THAT BOTTLE OF WHISKY. CAN'T REMEMBER THE RIDER EITHER ,BUT WELL DONE ON DOING IT. WHAT WAS YOUR OTHER CONFESSION YOU DIDN'T POST LAST NIGHT ? ALSO OUR GANG WAS ALWAYS ACCEPTED BY YOURSELF OR WAS IT US ACCEPTING AND RESPECTING YOU ? BECAUSE YOU HAD BEEN DESERTED BY YOUR LOT LIKE I SAID EARLIER FROM 87 ONWARDS. NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ANY KNIVES BEEN AROUND OUR GANG. WASN'T EVEN AWARE ABOUT THE LOCK AT NEWCASTLE. WHY WOULD BORO FANS WANT TO STEAL NEWCASTLE MERCHANDISE ? !! ALSO STAV, I WAS ONLY AWARE OF YOUR GANG AROUND 1985 AND UP UNTIL THEN HAD ONLY BEEN TO MILDENHALL V WORKINGTON IN 1976, BERWICK V MIDDLESBROUGH (AT NEWCASTLE )IN THE KOC FINAL IN 1980 AND A FEW AWAY WHEN WE WON THE LEAGUE IN 81 WHICH MY DAD TOOK ME TO. WENT TO NEWCASTLE ALOT FROM 81 AND STILL DO TO THIS PRESENT DAY. NEVER JOINED OUR GANG UNTIL 1985 WHEN I STARTED GOING AWAY ON A MUCH REGULAR BASIS. SO I WASN'T AT THE PAIRS WE WON IN 80 AT HALIFAX BUT EAS THERE THE FOLLOWING YEAR WHEN IAN GLEDHILL OF MILDENHALL TURNED RIGHT GOING OVER THE FINISHING LINE AND STOPPED WILCOCK GETTING PASSED ON THE OUTSIDE, THAT WOULD OF GIVEN US A HEAT ADVANTAGE AND INTO THE SEMI'S. THE VERY FIRST MEMORY I HAVE OF 1985 AWAY MEETINGS WAS THAT DIVIDE OF TWO GROUPS TRYING TO OUT SING EACH OTHER AND YOUR LOT STAV NOT BEEN TO AMMUSED ABOUT IT !! IT'S A SHAME THAT YOU HAD TO MENTION THAT YOU FOUND ME TO BE LESS THAN APPROACHABLE IN THE OPPOSITIONS FANS EYES. I ALWAYS MADE FRIENDS AT ALOT OF TRACKS I WENT TO AND ALWAYS MADE AN IMPRESSION WITH THE LADIES !! I AM VERY WELL RESPECTED BY ALOT OF FANS AT GLASGOW AND AT NEWCASTLE MORE THAN OTHER TRACKS, WHO WOULD SPEAK UP FOR ME. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING ONTO THIS SITE AND THINKING THAT I WAS ALWAYS A TEAR AWAY AND DRUNK AT AWAY MATCHES BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MIGHT COME ACROSS WHEN PEOPLE READ WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT ME. I DO ADMIT THAT IN 1985,86 AND 87 I WAS JUST BECOMMING USED TO ALCOHOL AND NEW THINGS !! SOMETIMES I WOULD JUST PRETEND AND ACT THE GOAT ON PURPOSE SO WE COULD HAVE A LAUGH. BUT I WAS NEVER IN SUCH A STATE WERE I WAS WANTING TO FIGHT OPPOSING FANS OR ALWAYS GOING UPTO THEM AND HURLING AB_SE RIGHT IN THERE FACES. I SOON GROW UP THOUGH ! AND ANYHOW I ONLY HAD 2 PINTS IN THOSE DAYS !! WAS THAT WALL COMING DOWN AT AYRESOME PARK OR AT THE CITY GROUND ? THE ONLY WALL I REMEMBER COMING DOWN WAS IN THE VERY EARLY 80'S AT AYRESOME PARK WHEN THE MAN UTD FANS WERE TRYING TO PUSH THE GATES DOWN TO GET OUT OF THERE END BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN KEPT BACK AND THE WALL JUST CAME DOWN AND CRUSHED 2 BORO FANS TO DEATH. WAS IT THIS ONE YOU WERE THINKING OF OR WAS THERE ONE AT FOREST ? ANYHOW LIKE WE SAID, THIS SITE IS NOT FOR MFC. AS FOR JOLY, I SOMETIMES SEE HIM DRIVING TRAINS PAST MY SIGNAL BOX AND HE WAVES. I'VE BEEN PROMOTED AT WORK AND WILL NOW BE COVERING 10 DIFFERENT SIGNAL BOXES SOON AND WILL ACTUALLY GET TO SPEAK TO JOLY ON A REGULAR BASIS AT ONE OF THESE BOXES BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO GET OUT AND SEE THE SIGNALMAN AT ONE PARTICULAR BOX. AS FOR MARK WILSON, I'VE ONLY SEEN HIM ONCE TO SPEAK TO AT A BORO MATCH AND SPOKEN TO HIS WIFE TRACY ON A FEW OCCASSIONS ASWELL AS SEEING HIM DRIVING ALONG ROADS AND EXCHANGING WAVES. JOHN WILSON IS STILL ON THE BINS FOR THE COUNCIL AND HAS WAVED ON A FEW OCCASSIONS AND CHATTED TO HIM IN ASDA ONE DAY LAST YEAR.ALSO SEEN STEPHEN RAW AT A BORO MATCH AND A FEW OTHER FACES WHO WERE AT THE SPPEDWAY, NOW GOING TO WATCH MFC. ONLY BUMPED INTO YOU ANDY ONCE AND THAT WAS IN YATES'S IN MIDDLESBROUGH WERE YOU GAVE ME THE COLD SHOULDER.DON'T KNOW WHAT FOR BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE ALWAYS GOT ON ? OR WAS IT BECAUSE I WAS SAT WITH TREVOR,WHO YOU DISLIKED AND THAT IS WHY YOU NEVER STOPPED BRIEFLY EVEN FOR A FEW SECONDS HELLO ? SORRY ALSO ANDY, BUT I WASNT AWARE THAT I LEFT YOU TO TAKE THE RAP FOR THE SH_TE EL. THIS IS WHAT STAV SAID. |
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| 17/6/2002 15:18 GMT |
Steve |
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| I think Jason has done a disservice to those riders who do care about the fans. I know there are a few who don't but I really do think they are in a minority. Tim Smith once mentioned to me in conversation that some riders wo rode for Middlesbrough never said thank you for the money the supoporters club raised for the riders during the season or free invites to supporter' socials. However, all of this is in the past. One thing I must mnetion is that former Boro captain PAUL BENTLEY was interviewed for a video about his life as a speedway rider and his life as a full time postman. My contact tells me that he was really impressed with Paul's attitude, surprised at how little some of the riders do earn. Paul told the interviewer that when he goes out to race he likes to win and he doesn't think about the money until the end of the evening when he has been paid. I don't think there are too many riders out there today doing it solely for the money as there are easier ways to earn money than many Premier League riders putting their lives at risk everytime they turn up at the tapes. Primarily speedway is a team sport and teams that ride for each other usually win or are up there challenging for honours. |
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| 17/6/2002 12:50 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Sorry Jason forgot to ask how come Jim Burdfield managed to get a flight then?and were flights to aussie really that scarce then that he would of had to wait a month?um not even connecting flights available? your trough appears to have a leak in it.It don't hold water. |
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| 17/6/2002 12:42 GMT |
stavvy |
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| Steve the gremlins appear to have hit again did't even finish typing next thing I know I was having the Brighty's.Anyway Jason all I can say was I was not there when Swales alledgedly made that comment but would not be suprised as it took myself and Tim Smith to point out we had cause to protest when Eastbourne tried to use Paul Clarke.But I do know what I heard in the Mildenhall pits I was dope(no sarcy comments) and oiling at the time.As for all riders only thinking only for themselves/benefit well remember that time some naughty supporters club officials decided to leave some tigers fans behind(funnily enough at Peterborough)some riders covered themselves in glory ferrying fans home or to train stations.I would never accuse Peter Reading of that for example and I have reason to be gratefull to Havvy seniorwhen he was riding.Working in the pits for a while I got to learn who were the true tigers and who were just there for the dosh maybe now some of you will realise why I had a downer on a certain rider .Well I am in sunny scouse land for the next two days so will read you all on thursday. |
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| 17/6/2002 12:28 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Firstly Jason no need to grovel,the 70's/80's lot were not my gang as for Jimbo I may of done him a mis-service but lets just say his earning capacity was a lot lower than that of Felix and was less likely to be able to afford the loss of an air fare.As far as I can remember lets just say business was not the reason Mr F gave at in the pits at Mildenhall and I do believe Bali came into consideration. A strange place to conduct business.As for Tim Swales telling him about R/R OR GUEST FACILITY BEING AVAILABLE well can't debate that because was not there.A |
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| 16/6/2002 19:02 GMT |
JASON PIPE |
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| IS EVERYONE ASLEEP TODAY ! FIRSTLY I MUST APOLOGISE (GROVEL !) TO YOU STAV AND YOU ANDY. IT DEFINATLEY CAME OUT WRONG AND MADE IT LOOK LIKE ALL THE STAVVY GANG FROM THE 70'S / EARLY 80'S WERE ALL A BAD LOT. I WAS HAVING A FEW DISTRACTIONS IN THE BACK GROUND WHEN I WAS THINKING AND TYPING THAT POSTING AND NOW DO BELIEVE FROM THE RESPONSE BACK THAT I WAS WRONG ON THAT SCORE. IT WAS ONLY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FROM THAT GROUP THAT WERE TO BLAME FOR ANY TROUBLE THAT WAS CAUSED AND YES I AGREE THEY DID MAKE IT SO OUR GROUP DID NOT FEEL WANTED AT AWAY MEETINGS AND THIS IS WHY IN THE YEARS OF 85 AND 86 WE HAD TWO GANGS OF BEARS FANS TRYING TO OUT DO THE OTHER ,THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN MOST OF THE STAVVY GANG SEEMED TO DISAPPEAR FROM 87. DON'T KNOW WHY ? MY APOLOGIES TO ANY MEMBER OF STAV'S GANG WHO KNOW ME AND THINK I WAS ON ABOUT THEM. PEOPLE LIKE CHARLIE WILSON , RUSS DOBISON ,EGON ,ROB ,TIM SMITH ,MIKE RHEA AND STAV , I ALWAYS GOT ON WITH AND I WOULD BE EVER SO UPSET IF THEY TOOK WHAT I SAID TO MEAN THEM. I HAD EVERY RESPECT FOR THOSE GUYS AND STILL DO. THERE WAS ALWAYS RUMOURS AND THAT'S NOW LOOKING WHAT THEY REALLY WERE , ABOUT THE 70'S GANG FIGHTING AT AWAY MATCHES. LIKE I SAID OUR GANG WERE NO ANGELS AND I DID HAVE MANY AN ARGUMENT AT AWAY MEETINGS BUT NEVER ACTUALLY TRIED TO START ANY TROUBLE. AND YES ANDY I DID HAVE A FEW BEERS ON THOSE TRIPS IN 85, 86 AND 87 BUT I WAS AN UNDERAGE DRINKER AND IT WAS YOURSELF , MARK AND JOLLY WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AFTER ME !! THEY WERE COULD TRIPS THEM AND THE MEMORIES WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME TILL I'M NO LONGER AROUND. ANDY - THE REASON WHY WE ALWAYS GOT A BAD NAME WITH THE PANTHERS FANS IS BECAUSE WE ALWAYS USED TO STAND UP ON THE SEATS AND THERE HAS BEEN THE GARY ALLAN THING AT THE FOURS IN 1990 AND OUR ABANDONED KOC MATCH THERE IN 1987 AND NOT FORGETTING THAT SUN OFF THERE IN 1991 OR WAS IT 92 WHEN DAVID HAWKINS WAS IN CHARGE AND WE TURNED UP THERE IN THE SUNSHINE ON A HOT SUNNY DAY TO FIND IT OFF !! OH AND THAT SUMNER / WALKER INCIDENT. IT ALWAYS HAD TO HAPPEN AT PETERBOROUGH ! MUST GO NOW BUT WILL WRITE MORE LATER OR IN MORNING. |
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| 15/6/2002 20:48 GMT |
Stavvy |
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| Just a question who and which group/gang for want of a better description was responsible for the lock on the souvenier shop at Brough park being broken and said shop being pilferred perhaps Jakey Brudenell who was running the coaches then can shed some light? Andy were do you watch your speedway now if indeed you still do and do you have a way of contacting Wardy and Jolli get in touch mono1kypros@aol.com cheers c ya. |
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| 15/6/2002 20:42 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Correct but like I said Steve what the back seat of coaches were like are irrelevant to what people at other tracks thought of us and after all Bramley organised the coaches for a while.John Llewelyn was one of my best friends but even I didn't bother sitting on the back seat. Tim Smith, Chan,Egon,charlie wilson etc were part of the original mob.But seating arrangements on a coach don't actually support Jasons accusations and Andy Bs post says it all.Hopefully one or two opposing fans will come to the site or maybe riders who will tell the truth.I can assure you I have seen Jason less than approachable from an opposing fans point of view.A bit disappointed you didn't think I was approachable,I would talk to anyone even a dodgy looking punk(lol)johnny Llewelyn just a weird sense of humour and as for Bramley well he was just Bramley.you were both impressionable teenagers who kept to yourselves well I was one as well but i just mixed best as i could until they got to know me.Ask Andy if he ever felt like he was not accepted.As I should point out the originals were the likes of Alex Patton ,Big Fred,Russ Dobison,Andy Douglas,Simmos etc the Stavs, Chans,Llewelyns,Egons,came later then came the Jollis,Brian ward,Andy Bs who were all accepted and I have not heard any of them moan about losing respect all were welcome as long as they were willing to vocally get behind the team. |
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| 15/6/2002 20:35 GMT |
andy brighty |
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| Andy Tillet! Gorblimey the most shortsighted person I've ever met. How the hell did he ever manage to drive that car???? Fair point Steve, I agree with the comments about the few that thought going to an away fixture was their own personal junket and you had to be in the 'in-crowd'. We all have to grow up but some wouldn't. |
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| 15/6/2002 19:05 GMT |
Steve |
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| Stavvy - I think I can safely speak for myself and my old mate Kev Hodgson who weren't part of any gang who watched the Tigers away from home. We both came from Stockton and lived a few streets away from each other. I remember going to places like Scunthorpe and Stoke in 1977 and the back seats of the coach were always occupied by the same people who were very territorial. I remember moving to Hartburn Village in 1978 and I used to walk from there and meet Kev on the way down all the way to Cleveland Park (we must have been mad!). We were both impressionable teenagers at the time and often kept ourselves to ourselves. We always tried to get on with everyone who went to away matches. Over time we got to know people though others weren't interested in getting to know us (John Llewelyn, Nick Bramley et al) It was like they wanted to keep what they had and anyone else was excluded. I found people like Tim Smith, John/Mark Wilson, Mike Rhea, Chan, Egon, Brian Ward, Bracket, Andy Tillet, Jason Pipe etc more approachable. No-one can speak for us except ourselves. |
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| 15/6/2002 18:54 GMT |
Stavvy |
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| Accusation no 1 coming up i hereby declare Tim Swales a wellsher(sorry about spelling).Some years ago I wrote a letter to Speedway star berating Speedway promoters in general.To make my point I used Andy Silver as an example pointing out that greedy promoters who aquired him on the cheap were trying to make a rather hefty(in speedway terms)profit and were preventing A.S. from furthering his developement and career,not to mention for the good of speedway in genaral.I used Havvys transfer fee the previous season and the fact he had numerous titles(of which A.S. had none)but was being touted for a far larger fee and that he had to still prove himself as Havvy had done this was not directed at A.S (but as I have been proven correct in time).Now the fun and games began firstly miss little ole! A.S. fan club sec took offence (even though not directed at A.S.)and threw a wobbly writing to the Star telling us all what a fool i was and how A.S was miles better than Havvy.Silly woman where is A.S. NOW HOW MANY WORLD TITLES DID HE WIN ? HOW MANY BRITISH TITLES ETC ETC.Anyway the arena promoters mentioned it in the programme and A.S. who thought the whole thing was hillarious(mates with Havvy who told me so)was the only one who didn't throw one.(maybe he was glad someone could be bothered to mention the silly fee).But the best one was somebody who was not mentioned in the letter throwing a fit.Firstly he was the only person who had not cottoned on that it was me and the point of the letter.Step forward Mr Tim Swales who then berated me,for my commentsin the proggy and that i was being unfair to him even though I didn't even mention him.He then went further calling me a coward(indirectly)for not stepping forward even though I used my own name.He then challenged me to put up a bottle of whiskey for the star of the night the following week,feeling certain I would not have the bottle(no pun intended)to come forward and show my face which I duly did and presented the whiskey ,sorry don't remember who to now.When approached by big Tony Coupland on the centre green mic I repeated that I stood by everything I had said (T.C.) RECIEVED A RIGHT ROYAL B........g for letting me near a mic.Now for the accusation Mr Swales did you not say that if this (i think) faceless person(used my name remember)did come forward and presented the whiskey he would eat his straw hat well I did but Swalesy i still await the ceremonial munching of the straw hat naught naughty still never could believe a thing a promoter ever said. well there you go tommorrow I will make a confession regarding an incident in my time as a tigers fan but nothing to do with the Puse....bye far nar |
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| 15/6/2002 16:46 GMT |
andy brighty |
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| Jason - 'APPART FROM A COUPLE OF OUR GANG THAT COULDN'T HACK THE BEER AND ALWAYS SEEMED TO WANT TO CAUSE TROUBLE AT PETERBOROUGH OF ALL PLACES FOR SOME REASON KNOWN TO THEM' Hmm a bit confused here. I seem to recall Peterborough being one isolated incident (and Gary Allan was a twerp anyway). Didn't your good self usually get heavily involved in heated abuse/arguments at Peterborough? especially after the Sumner/Walker fencing. And who were the couple of the gang who couldn't hack the beer? One of them must be the young chap whe spewed regularly on trips (Canterbury, Stoke to name but two). Can't remember his name, but I think it rhymes with 'WIPE'. We all know people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones,but we all know you've held your own on more than one occasion. If you want my support your gonna have to take back a few comments. I can name countless occasions when you've lost your rag and been abusive. True there was a couple of lads from the 'old school' if you like, that I wouldn't have liked as a next-door-neighbour but you can't come out with bizarre comments as you have. True we had a good rap at a lot of tracks but I know that the previous crew had good raps at other tracks too. Stavvy (or is it Sid!!), I now live in sunny Gosport, Joly is still driving trains in the Boro, and Bri Ward is still in Whinney Banks working hard. He's separated from Mandy now and Bracket is now separated from Caroline (if you remember him). |
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| 14/6/2002 22:30 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| CELLAR BEING THE OPERATIVE WORD....CHALLENGE COMING TO THIS NOTEBOOK TOMMORROW..WATCH THIS SPACE. |
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| 14/6/2002 22:19 GMT |
Steve |
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| In the interests of balance I came across an article in a magazine about Belle Vue entitled 'The Ace'. Geoff Pusey was mentioned in their 1975 season as 'a stable cellar position contributor to the side's cause'. Riding down at reserve with him was former Teesside Tiger Russ Hodgson who had failed to agree terms with promoter Ron Wilson. Belle Vue finished second of 18 teams. |
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| 14/6/2002 20:35 GMT |
MR TEBBY |
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| STAV.IF YOU READ MY LETTER CORRECTLY.I SAID HERO'S WHO RIDE ROUND WITH NO BRAKES! I DIDN'T BUY AN ITALIAN PUSH BIKE,I WAS ON HOLIDAY AND HIRED THIS GLORIFIED ZIMMER FRAME.YOU CAN TELL I AM NOWHERE NEAR GRANGETOWN BY THE COLOUR OF THE SKY. |
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| 14/6/2002 20:14 GMT |
stavvy |
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| JAAAYSSSAN (YOUR WORLD CUP NAME) I FORGOT TO ANSWER YOUR VIALLI QUESTION YOU PROBABLY NEED THE ESP FOR YOUR NEXT BET...WELL NOT SURE NO RUMOURS HERE BUT I WOULD SAY 10/1 ON HIM GETTING ANOTHER MANAGERS JOB 9/4 GETTING THE KIT MANAGERS JOB AT LUTON 3/1 HEAD GROUNDSMAN AT DARLO BUT IF I WERE YOU SERIOUSLY I WOULD PUT SOME MONEY ON HIM BUYING SAMPDORIA NO KIDDING.NO DOUBT SOME SOUTHERN RULE MAKER DECIDED WE COULDN'T USE SPINKY.AS FOR MR FIORA WELL LETS SEE I WAS IN THE PITS AT MILDENHALL A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE WHEN ALL HIS TEAM MATES BEGGED HIM TO STAY BUT HE WAS HAVING NONE OF IT.ALSO JAAAYYYSAN ONE MR BURDFIELD A RESERVE WAS WILLING TO CHANGE HIS TICKET AND STAY BEHIND AND HE WAS COMPENSATED(AS FIORA WOULD OF BEEN)BY A MASSIVE WHIP ROUND ON THE COACHES NO AMOUNT OF BEGGING OR PLEADING BY HIS TEAM MATES WOULD CHANGE HIS MIND,SAD TO SAY THAT DOES NOT SHOW MUCH TEAM SPIRIT(WHO MENTIONED ROD HUNTER)OR RESPECT FOR THE FANS WHO PAID HIS WAGES ALL SEASON MAKE WHAT YOU WISH BUT I WAS IN THE PITS.AND AS YOU BROUGHT UP MY YOUTH FUNNILY I STARTED GOING THE YEAR BEFORE YOU SO MAKE WHAT YOU WILL OF THAT.YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE PLAY-OFFS NO DOUBT YOU WERE THERE SO YOU SAW IT ALL NO NEED FOR THE GAZETTE RADIO TEES ETC.NOW AT THIS POINT I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT AT AYERSOME PARK WE WERE HELD IN THE STREET BEHIND THE CLIVE ROAD END AND BELIEVE ME JAAAYYYSAN HOUSE BRICKS DON'T TASTE VERY NICE AND NEITHER DO EMPTY MILK BOTTLES. WHEN I WALKED PAST VARIOUS STREETS I SAW CHELSEA FANS BEING AMBUSHED AND OTHERS RETURNING TO THEIR VANDALISED CARS.AT STAMFORD BRIDGE YOUR FANS WERE ON THE PITCH FIRST REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN IN THE PINK SHIRT I REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE I WAS THERE BUT TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER I KNOW PINKY SHIRT PERSONALLY SO BEARING IN MIND THE MILK BOTTLES AND BRICKS AMBUSHES AND VANDALISED CARS THE INNOCENTS OF BORO SHALL OR DID SOW WHAT THEY DID RHEAP SO GET A GRIP YOUNG MAN REMEMBER SHREWSBURY WERE YOUR LOT TERRORISED THE MARS BAR/BURGER SELLERS NOT TO MENTION SCARBOROUGH DEARY ME LET HIM WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE....YIPEE BIBLE LESSONS NOW AS WELL.JASON WHAT WERE THOSE SPIKES ON THE BORO PERIMITTER FENCING FOR.HOW DID THE ARSENAL FAN WHO GOT AN DART IN THE EYE AT AYERSOME THINK OR THE FAMILY OF THE FOREST FAN CRUSHED BY THE WALL JASE YOU ARE TALKING POOP AGAIN.BUT LETS KEEP THIS IN A SPORTING SENSE YOU WENT STRAIGHT BACK DOWN WE CAME UP AS CHAMPIONS AND WON 6 TROPHYS AND MADE 2 MORE CUP FINAL APPEARANCES OH YE AND PLAYED AND WON IN EUROPE AND I DON'T MEAN THE ANGLO ITALIAN EITHER ANYWAY FOOTBALL APART .UNFORTUNATLY THERE ARE THOSE IDIOTS THAT THINK A GOOD MEETING IS ONE WHEN THERES IS A PASS AFTER SOMEONE HAS AN ENGINE FAILURE.STEVE YES IT WAS YONKS AGO AND THEARETICALLY DOES COUNT BUT WERE DID IT LEAD TO, THAT SAID RATHER SEE DARLO DO WELL THAN BORO(JASON OBVIOUSLY NOT TALKING ABOUT BORO WITH SPEEDWAY STRUGGLING WITH HALF DECENT TEAM NEXT TO THEM)AS FOR THE BAND BEING A BIG COUNTRY FAN I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IT'S NOT ABOUT HITS THEORY SO CHILL.NOT SURE ABOUT THE INTIMIDATING DRUNK MAYBE AND THEY WERE ALL INTO BAD COMPANY,ASIA AND THAT ILK.MR TEBBY WHAT FOOLS RIDE ROUND WITHOUT BRAKES THEN?AND WHY CAN'T YOU BUY A BRITISH ZIMMER INSTEAD OF THAT ITIE MUCK..TOMMORROW DENMARK 2 ENGLAND 1 RECKHAM SPICE PENALTY AND THOMASSON(GEORDIE FAILURE)WITH GRONKJAER GETTING THE GOLDEN GOAL WINNER HA! HA! PERSONALLY I'AM SUPPORTING JAPAN BECAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING THE TURKS NOTHING WOULD PLEASE ME MORE THAN TO SEE 5,000 KEBAB SHOP OWNERS PIS**D OF IN LONDON.WHAT WAS IT THE TURKISH FA BLOKE SAID ''700 TURKS DIED DEFENDING KOREA AND ONE KOREAN KILLED 70 MILLION TURKS'' WELL AS A GREEK CYPRIOT WISH I WAS THAT KOREAN THERE YOU GO BOYS POLITICS, BIBLE BASHING, FOOTBALL, WORLD CUP ,WHAT MORE CAN YOU EXPECT ON A SPEEDWAY WEBSITE ..pS CHARLIE WILSON IS INDEED A VERY NICE MAN FOR A JOCK WHERE ARE YOU CHARLIE JASON SLAGGED YOU OFF DON'T LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT HE SAID YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE WHO LOST TIGERS RESPECT . |
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| 14/6/2002 19:14 GMT |
JASON PIPE |
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| STAV - DON'T YOU HAVE TO GO A LONG WAY BACK TO RELIVE YOUR YOUTH ? (YOU STARTED IT !!!) YES COLIN YOU ARE RIGHT. IT IS A FUNNY SPORT WERE TEAMS SHOULDN'T WIN AT ALL COSTS. REMEMBER BERWICK AT THERE NEW (OLD) TRACK AT BERRINGTON LOUGH. THEY WERE TROUNCHING EVERYONE AT HOME EVERY WEEK MOST SEASONS AND THEIR CROWDS WENT RIGHT DOWN. THIS BEEN THE REASON FOR THEM GOING BACK INTO BERWICK AT SHIELFIELD PARK. SAYING THAT THOUGH, THE CROWDS ARE JUST AS BAD NOW. BUT WHAT CAN PROMOTERS DO ? THERE IN A CATCH 22 ! THERE ARE ALOT OF SPEEDWAY FOLLOWERS WHO WILL ONLY FOLLOW A WINNING TEAM AT ALL COSTS AND THOSE WHO DON'T MIND IF THEY GET BEAT ASLONG AS THEY SEE SOME GOOD CLOSE EXCITING RACING.THE LATTER BEING THE TRUE SPEEDWAY SUPPORTERS. BY THE WAY COL, YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T MET STAV. HE DOES ACTUALLY NOW LOOK LIKE A CHELSEA PENSIONER !!! SORRY STAV, BUT WITH YOU LIVING RIGHT DOWN THERE IN COCKNEY LAND AND AMONG ALL THOSE COCKNEYS YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT !! ALSO STAV, DO YOU REMEMBER BACK IN THE VERY FIRST PLAY OFFS IN 1988 MFC SENT CHELSEA DOWN INTO THE THEN 2ND DIVISION AND WE WENT INTO THE 1ST ? ALSO IT WAS THE CHELSEA IDIOTS WHO RAN AT THE BORO. 2-1 ON AGGREGATE I BELIEVE ! IS IT LEVELLING OUT YET ?!! DOES ANYONE REMEMBER WHY WE COULDN'T USE MIKE SPINK IN THAT CHAMPIONSHIP DECIDER AT GLASGOW IN 1985 ? AFTER ALL HIS LOAN SPELL AT CANTERBURY DID EXPIRE ON OCTOBER 31ST AND WE RODE AT GLASGOW ON NOV 1ST ! STILL PEOPLE BLAME MARK FIORA FOR US LOSING THAT TITLE, BUT IT WAS MARK WHO HAD CHANGED HIS FLIGHT BACK ONCE AND THEN SAID HE WOULD CHANGE IT AGAIN, BUT TIM SWALES ASSURED HIM THAT A GUEST OR R/R COULD BE USED AND TOLD TO WORRY ABOUT IT, WHICH IS WHAT FIORA TOLD ME 3 YEARS LATER. YOU MUST REMEMBER THE REASON STAV ? MAYBE THE MAN HIMSELF (SPINKY) COULD ANSWER THAT NEXT TIME HE IS BROWSING THIS WEBSITE ? TALKING OF SPINKY. THANKS MIKE FOR GETTING MY DAD AND I TO ELLESMERE PORT IN 1981. IT WAS OUR FIRST VISIT AND WE BUMPED INTO YOU OUTSIDE THE SERVICES ON THE M62 AND YOU TOLD US TO FOLLOW YOU. GOOD MEETING THAT WAS TO. THINK WE WON 48 - 29. TIM SWALES IS NOW MORE INTO WATCHING FOOTBALL. HE AND SALLY HAVE SEASON TICKETS AT THE RIVERSIDE. BUMPED INTO THEM THERE 2 YEARS BACK. ALSO KEN KNOTT IS A SEASON TICKET HOLDER. YOU WILL NEVER SEE THOSE TWO INVOLVED WITH SPEEDWAY AGAIN. IN A PROMOTING / TEAM MANAGING POSITION ANYWAY. IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF SPEEDWAY NEVER RETURNED TO MIDDLESBROUGH. BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF IT DID ! CAN ANYONE EVER REMEMBER A SPEEDWAY TEAM IN THE UK GETTING GOOD CROWDS IN A TOWN THAT ALSO HAD / HAS A DECENT FOOTBALL TEAM. IT SEEMED / SEEMS TO ME THAT ANY TRACK IN A TOWN WITH HALF DECENT CROWDS FOLLOWING THE FOOTBALL TEAM WOULD STRUGGLE WITH THEIR SPEEDWAY CROWDS. LOOK AT US FOR EXAMPLE AND NEWCASTLE AND LONG EATON (NOTTINGHAM) WHEN THEY RAN. ALSO CAN ANYONE NAME ANY OTHER TRACKS THAT HAVE SHUT DOWN IN THE LAST 20 ODD YEARS APART FROM NEWPORT AND BERWICK AND MOVED INTO A NEWLY BUILT STADIUM ? USUALLY TRACKS THAT RE OPEN HAVE AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THE STADIUM IS STILL THERE EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO DO ALOT OF WORK TO GET THE TRACK BACK INTO SHAPE. ALL WE NEED IS A RICH PERSON WANTING TO PROMOTE SPEEDWAY IN MIDDLESBROUGH. WE CAN STILL LIVE IN HOPE BUT NOT OVER CONFIDENT. THERE'S BEEN TALK IN THE PAST OF TONY MOLE BEING INTERESTED BUT THE MIDDLESBROUGH COUNCIL HAVE BEEN VERY OBJECTIVE TOWARDS SPEEDWAY AND NEVER HAD THE DECENCY TO GET BACK IN CONTACT WITH TONY MOLE. NOW RAY MALLON IS MAYOR OF MIDDLESBROUGH WE MIGHT SEE A BETTER RUN COUNCIL AND MR MALLON IS A SPORTS FAN ! THERE IS NO POINT IN DOING DEMOS AND MARCHES AND GOING TO MR MALLON THOUGH IF US SUPPORTERS HAVE NO PROMOTER BACKING IT. THAT WAS WERE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WAS WHEN OUR FANS MARCHED FROM THE TRACK TO THE TOWN HALL IN 1996. THERE WAS NO ONE THERE WHO SHOWED ANY INTEREST OF EVEN WANTING TO RUN SPEEDWAY AT A NEW STADIUM, EVEN IF ONE COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT AND NO ONE SHOWING UP THAT WANTED TO EVEN MANAGE A NEW STADIUM. THE COUNCIL WERE JUST LAUGHING AT US |
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| 14/6/2002 19:04 GMT |
Steve |
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| For me the nickname was TIGERS if only to hear those immortal words from announcer Bernard Gent following a 5-1....and that's five l-u-v-e-r-l-y points to the Tigers....'nuff said. Man was a genius if you ask me. Stav - It may have been yonks ago but it still counts! The band Chelsea, well it was never about having hits, they never had major label backing to deliver but listen to 'Evacuate' and 'War Across The Nation' and try and convince me they would have been hits on Virgin or EMI. The rival supporters you all talk about I can remember very well. The older group were very clannish (Andy Douglas, Nick Bramley, Rob, etc) and made sure that they ALWAYS occupied the back seats on any coach journey. I always found their presence a little intimidating (safety in numbers to quote an Adverts song) though dressed as a punk rocker probably didn't help, especially as some of 'em liked Queen/ELO! Over time some of them mellowed and became quite talkative. The last I heard Bramley was working as a manager for Barclays. Last sighted at Glasgow November 1985. Andy Douglas became a TV star (World in Action) and currently lives in Leeds. One by one the old guard all disappeared apart from Charlie Wilson (who was and still is a lovely bloke) and Russ the milkman. |
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| 14/6/2002 18:21 GMT |
Colin Greenwell (Mr Tebby not Mr Bear) |
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| Stav.I hated that naff Bear.I asked before if you knew the culprit who designed it.I am sure if we had a poll for the worst race jacket,there would be only one winner.That bike (zimmer frame ) I am on is Italian.It was the only one I could get over there with brakes on.Do you know some hero's ride round and round on motorcyles with no brakes! |
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| 14/6/2002 17:45 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Mr Tebby oops sorry I mean Colin I never said you were in an old folks home but i must admit i mistook yuor bike in the picture initially as a zimmer frame I aplogise for that.But I meant that not enough people voted(please tell me your not mr bear)to make it a realistic vote.Now if I have offended any pensioners out there it would be remiss of me not to apologise but tough I'am not going to afterall i wish to remain unpopular so that Jason can regain that lost respect(ha! ha!).Win win come on Col after all I was a supporter like yourself of a wooden spoonist team in 1976 so lets leave that out eh!.Actually Ian Thomas and Brian Larner managed perfectly well on win win speedway(and a little rule bending ooh contraversial comment).As a matter of fact they were the only northern team(until sheffields kuzin episode)to get away with anything.Northern teams couldn't get away with anything even when the BSPA chair was Tim Swales.Finally big Col already said didn't like pensioners now please go and dip your paws in a jar of honey and learn to growl then if you look a bit more vicious than that naff bear on the racejacket you might talk me round.....doubt it. |
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| 14/6/2002 17:25 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Shame on you Jason as i write a post defending your morals you are posting one insulting me.Now just to clear things up firstly If you read the post properly you would know i didnt respond to the berk statement because I have to live with Terri lou she is my wife.Also i would like to direct you to the teesside/boro programmes over numerous seasons from away tracks such as weymouth/poole ,mildenhall, boston, long eaton, Berwick etc etc i could go on to find out how popular or unpopular we were.You will even find in a weymoth programme about half a page purely on the fans of teesside then a few years later a full page in a Poole proggie sorry jason but you are talking poop here.People like Jolli and Brighty know better we were unpopular with our managemant ok but only our own because we were unpopular with the cleveland park homeys.I did say this before also we were never involved in fighting we were always in the bar afterwards show me were we were involved in fighting. Funnily enough I do remember a story about you lot fighting at Peterborough i was there i had to stop one of you going to far.Please jase get your facts straight you didn't have to win back respect we never lost it ask Brighty I just gave you credit for continuing the tradition i'am all for banter but you are abusing others not coming to the site.Congratulations on your loving exploits but please get a grip.At wimbledon one year we broke up a fight between Berwick and Mildenhall fans because of the respect they had for us.Another time sorry for the swelling head at peterborough i personally stopped a confrontation between MK and Mildenhall fans ask old fans what they thought of us.Stark contrast between yourself and Andy bs last postings. Um either you are suffering from delusions or substance abuse.Don't talk about lost respect we had enough respect for screensport to want to interview us batty yes, loud yes,vociferous yes,abusive yes.I do remember a knife being mentioned in dispatches about your group.By all means gang up on me as you all know I have broad shoulders but please show respect for your ancestors as such after all we created the songs you sang Jason. Brighty where are you now? what is Jolli up to and Brian Ward see my fatherly instinct even leads me to remembering my prodigys names remember Jason show some respect to your elders....ha! ha! ps gambling is a sin stop it now save the bother and save the cash the money you are waisting could be used for you to become a consortium with mal Wright top bring back speedway to cleveland.Just one last thought though jason if we were so hated by the management why was it Geoff pusey and not me that Swalesy wanted rid of..umm theres a thought.And as you have been going since 1976 you were no doubt at halifax for the pairs when we ganged up on Newcastle with Ellesmere port Mildenhall and Canterbury fans and guess what they were signing songs about Newcastle that we were starting funny thing to do that follow the lead of unpopular people deary me jase leaving you to remove the bullett from your foot. ..ps how can you ask Andy b to gang up on me when you left him to take your elite league hating rap shame on you |
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| 14/6/2002 17:18 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Stav.As one who is not quite in an old folks home I voted for Bears and it seemed that it was us old timers who could be bothered to vote.All your letters quote win,win,win,win.Speedway is one of those crazy sports where you don't want to win too often.A promoter gets a decent team together,they come good and because of this at the end of the season,he has to move and so and so has to move.It is about time a team were allowed to remain together for two seasons or maybe three,providing they wanted to.I would very much like to read peoples views on this.Anyhow ,I thought you liked Pensioners! |
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| 14/6/2002 16:47 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Well let me see Andy B was it one Micky Burns FAIR ENOUGH 7-2 to the boro boys but I think it's fair to say we have more than avenged that on more than one occassion Andy b.Glad you remember the bed sheet you young upstart you,also glad I taught you well and yes you lot did carry on the tradition even to the extent that you lot still sang tigers songs when we were the yukkk the bears.I can't think of any decent bears songs.As for the name poll Mr Bear lets face it a vote of some 20 or so people hardly constitutes an overwhelming voting group especially when most of those voting are in old folks homes and i repeat we won nought as bears.And you Mr Richardson how dare you accuse myself and Brighty and Jason of using swear words what an affront.How can you when you are openly blighting the future of your children by subjecting them to that filth known as leeds united the lilly whites i might add.To subject your children to that is far worse than anything we can do shame on you.Now steve there you have a man of decent morals little old Darlo. ooops just remembered another song Geoff pusey pusey he rides for you and me he rides a honda 50cc Geoff pusey pusey ah what a classic sony records should release that what a classic memories. |
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| 14/6/2002 16:34 GMT |
JASON PIPE |
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| STAV - WHAT'S IT LIKE BEING CALLED A BERK ? ! THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE RESPONDED TO THAT FROM TERRI LOU (WHO ?) YES STAVROS , I AM ONE OF THE MID 80'S / 90'S AWAY FANS , BUT IT WAS US LOT THAT HAD TO EARN SOME RESPECT BACK FROM FANS AT AWAY TRACKS DUE TO THE 70'S / EARLY 80'S AWAY GANG (YOU'S LOT ) BEING ALOT MORE ABUSIVE THAN OUR GANG AND GIVING THE TIGERS FANS A BAD NAME AWAY FROM HOME AND IT WAS NEARLY ALWAYS YOUR GANG THAT THE MANAGEMENT WEREN'T HAPPY WITH ! DON'T GET ME WRONG WE WERE ALSO NO ANGELS BUT NOWHERE NEAR AS BAD AS YOU'S LOT ! APPART FROM A COUPLE OF OUR GANG THAT COULDN'T HACK THE BEER AND ALWAYS SEEMED TO WANT TO CAUSE TROUBLE AT PETERBOROUGH OF ALL PLACES FOR SOME REASON KNOWN TO THEM. COULD WELL HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE TIME WHEN MARTIN ROGERS WAS IN CHARGE I THINK ! DO YOU REMEMBER THAT KOC MATCH BEING ABANDONED IN 1987 ? ! ON A WHOLE US LOT WERE LOVED BY FANS AT ALL (EXCEPT PETERBOROUGH !) AWAY TRACKS AND I MEAN LOVED LITRELLY ! WELL THAT BEING ANOTHER STORY WHICH I WON'T GO INTO TILL MAYBE ANOTHER TIME !! BUT I THINK YOU KNOW ANDY ? REMEMBER LONG EATON IN 88 ? PETERBOROUGH IN 89 AND GLASGOW IN 90 ? IT WAS LIKE ONE AT EVERY TRACK , LIKE ONE IN EVERY PORT !! I COULDN'T KEEP UP ! ANYHOW , YES WE DID HAVE LOTS OF BANTER GOING ON AT AWAY TRACKS BUT WE EARNED BACK THAT LOST RESPECT AND ALWAYS HAD A GOOD SING SONG IN THE BAR AFTERWARDS AND CHATTED PEACEFULLY TO THEIR FANS. COME ON ANDY , WE NEED TO GANG UP ON STAV , AS HE DID ASK FOR IT ! GET SOME OF THE OLD GANG INVOLVED IN THIS GUESTBOOK. STAV - WHAT'S THE RUMOUR LINKING VIALLI BACK TO THAT PLACE DOWN COCKNEY WAY , NOW THAT HE HAS LEFT WATFORD ? ! BY THE WAY, IF YOUR READING TERRI LOU , WHO IS YOUR PRAT ( YOUR WORDS ) OF A HUSBAND. WAS HE IN STAV'S GANG OR OURS ? TONY R - TELL YOUR PAUL I SAID HE HAS TO GET INVOLVED ON THIS SITE. LOST FOR WORDS NOW SO WILL WRITE AGAIN SOON ! J Ps UP THE TIGERS. WE ARE THE TIGERS , THE MIGHTY MIGHTY TIGERS , EVERYWHERE WE GO , PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW , WHO WE ARE ,SHALL WE TELL THEM , WE ARE THE TIGERS , THE MIDDLESBROUGH TIGERS , GIVE US A T GIVE US A I GIVE US A G GIVE US A E GIVE US A R GIVE US A S , WHO ARE THE BEST.........TIGERS !!!! THOSE WERE THE DAYS. Pps COVENTRY WILL WIN EL AND HULL THE PL . AUSTRALIA FOR WORLD (TEAM) CUP AND RICKARDSSON TO BE WORLD CHAMP. |
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| 14/6/2002 14:34 GMT |
andy brighty |
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| Lads, this is a site for speedway and not football eh, but while we're on the subject who was the last player to score four in mfc/cfc match Stav? Fair comment, we did learn off the 'elder statesmen' of supporters shall we say, and we proudly carried the flag (or your famous 'BORO BEDSHEET')into the second half of the 80's/90's where we annoyed the good people of the national league on many a occasion. Steve, your'e dead right, progress in track preparation is miles off the way that machinery has progressed and that MUST go hand in hand or we're doomed to Reading style motorway tracks forever. |
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| 14/6/2002 14:24 GMT |
MR BEAR |
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| I BELIEVE STEVE RAN A POLL ON A TEAM NAME A WHILE AGO.IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY STAVVY WOULD NOT LIKE THE RESULT. |
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| 14/6/2002 11:55 GMT |
TONY RICHARDSON |
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| Didn't Steve run a vote on this site about the name of the team(I can't remember what the resuilt was Steve will know). Will all of you please stop using swear words like Middlesbrough FC & Chelsea FC as my kids look at this sight with me. There is only one football team LEEDS UNITED THE MIGHTY WHITES. |
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| 14/6/2002 09:33 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Give us a t, T give us an i, I give us a g, G give us a e, E give us an r, R give us a s, S who are the best TIGERS WELL THIS GUESTBOOK IS GETTING A BIT LIKE AN AWAY MATCH ALL WE NEED IS A RICKETY CORREGATED METAL STAND AND A TRACK AND THE OLD DAYS ARE BACK COME ON THE REST OF YOU VISITING LETS HAVE A BIT OF BANTER CHARLIE WILSON I KNOW YOU VISIT THIS SITE LETS ALL JOIN IN AND BASICALLY ABUSE EACH OTHER LETS RE-LIVE OUR YOUTH THROUGH THIS GUESTBOOK AND FOR ANY OF YOU GEORDIES WHO COME HERE ROBBIE BLACKADDER WAS A D***Y G*T YOUR TRACK WAS A GATERS PARADISE CHARLIE YOU ARE A DRUNKEN SCOTSMAN(PLASTIC OF COURSE) BRIGHTY, PIPEY,YOU AND JOLLY WERE JUST YOUNG CHILDREN LEARNING OF THE MASTERS AND WERE IS Bramley, PHIL SMITH, ETC, ETC, CONGRATS TO ROBBIE DOUGLAS ON HIS IMPENDING DAY OF DOOM A LEAP INTO MARRIAGE.I ALSO HAVE A CONFESSION TO MAKE AND A DEMAND/ACCUSSATION TO LEVY AT TIM SWALES SO KEEP READING THIS GUESTBOOK IT'S COMING SOON. NOW HOW DOES THAT AWAY SONG GO AGAIN GEOFF PUSEY, PUSEY, YOU HARDLY EVER NOTICE HIM HE'S ALWAYS AT THE BACK....BYE |
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| 14/6/2002 09:18 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Yawwwwwwnnnnn 1958 now I know that was before your time so is hardly relevant old bean in the current day. 2 fa.cups,1 league cup,1 euro cup winners cup,1 charity shield,1 euro super cup, 1/4 finalists champions league, euro cup winners cup semi finalists, another fa cup final this year, semi finalists in the fa cup again and the league cup, never out of the top six in the premiership and not missed out on a european place since 1996 ummmm some pretence Stevie boy.But on a more relevant note how about Darlos new ground for speedway if georgie reynolds keeps it for concerts but sells the club? ps when was the last time chelsea the punk band scored a hit? over to you stevie boy. |
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| 13/6/2002 22:52 GMT |
Steve |
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| Stavvy - and the last time Darlington played Chelsea? The Quakers won at Feethams after a 3-3 draw down at Stamford Bridge in the FA Cup in 1958. I'll take a draw and a victory against the great pretenders (the Jason Crumps of football). All that money, so little to show for it. As regards your comments on the Conference League, well as I remember it at the time, it acted as a catalyst for some good times for the next two years and some variety in the fixture list. Sadly, I cannot comment on present matters as I no longer go on a regular basis but would approve of speedway taking place there. Geoff Pusey - putting aside personal matters, it was Mike Spink who secured the vital third place in Heat 12 to confirm that Middlesbrough Tigers were champions in 1981. However Geoff Pusey's contribution from reserve was commendable in the circumstances. No-one likes boring processional racing - no matter what level it is raced at but the introduction of the laydown engine and the poor preparation of tracks contributes to this malaise. I'm not against new technology but please give the riders the facilities to put on a show in the first place. |
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| 13/6/2002 19:36 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| ANDY I PUT GEOFF PUSEY TO ONE SIDE YEARS AGO.AS FOR THE SECOND STRINGS AND HEAT LEADERS ON THE DAY AGAINST NEWCASTLE WELL GEOFFS 15 WOULD NOT OF BEEN ENOUGH ON IT'S OWN AND LETS FACE IT EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THE ODD OFF DAY(GEOFF HAD LOADS)AND CLINCHING THE LEAGUE AGAINST NEWCASTLE WE IF I REMEMBER RIGHTLY WON THE LEAGUE BY 8 POINTS SO WE HARDLY WON IT THAT DAY JUST CLINCHED IT. AND ONE OF THOSE SECOND STRINGS AS I HAVE ALREADY SAID GOT THE CLINCHING POINT.I CAN'T FORGIVE HIM FOR THAT DAY AT BERWICK AND I MEAN AT THE TRACK NOT THE CHIPPY.AS FOR YOU STEVE WELL CHELSEA MAYBE A FINE PUNK BAND BUT CHELSEA A MEDIOCRE FOOTBALL TEAM MIGHT BE EASIER TO TAKE FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT OR IS NOT A DARLINGTON FAN.STILL THEY HAVE A NICE NEW GROUND IF THEY EVER GET TO USE IT COME TO THINK OF IT IF THEY DONT WHAT A NICE POSSIBILITY FOR A SPEEDWAY STADIUM.NEVER MIND STEVE ONLY 10 MONTHS TO GO TILL YOUR IN THE CONFRANCE LEAGUE....HA HA HA AND COME ON STEVE TOLD YOU IT WAS JASE WHO DIDN'T LIKE ELITE LEAGUE AND DESPITE ANDY'S LOVE OF THE GEOFFSTER I AGREE WITH HIM ABOUT BORING PROCESSIONAL RACING IT WAS BETTER IN THE OLD NL DAYS.STEVE I THINK YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY FOR INCORRECTLY CORRECTING ME IF YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN. PS JASON DON'T AGREE ABOUT THE RACE JACKET I PREFER THE RED BACKROUND WITH A TIGERS HEAD ON A BIG T FROM 75 AND ALTHOUGH BEFORE YOU STARTED GOING YOU MUST OF SEEN IT. PPS BRIGHTY NOT BOTHERED ON REFLECTION IF YOU ARE WILLING TO PUT WEMBLEY CFC VS MFC TO ONE SIDE I WOULD RATHER YOU REMEMBERED IT IN GLORIOUS TECHNICOLOUR ...LOL |
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| 13/6/2002 18:28 GMT |
andy brighty |
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| Don't know why it posted five times as it usually only lets u post once! I'll put the record straight. All I'm against is boring processional racing, the type of racing that adds fuel to the fire of Joe Public's general opinion of speedway - 'first to the corner wins', and all true lovers of it will wholeheartedly agree (save Peterborough fans!!)As the late great Joey Ramone said 'I'm against it'. (He also said Now I wanna sniff some glue but that's another story). Straw poll folks - is it better now or was it better then???? Stav, I can put Wembley x 3 aside if you can put Puse aside. A max (and a 15 point one to boot) vs the Diamonds on the greatest day in the clubs history, when certain heat leaders and 2nd strings weren't up to the task on the day is worthy of forgiveness. (and he did get covered in s**t at Workington in 87 so surely that evens it up!!) |
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| 13/6/2002 18:23 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| JASON.I HONESTLY CAN'T REMEMBER ANY SONGS,ONLY THE RECORDS OF THE TIME THAT WERE PLAYED BETWEEN RACES.IN THOSE FAR AWAY DAYS AS YOU SAY,I HAD TO GO EARLY TO GET A PLACE AT THE BACK OF THE STEPS ON THE MAIN GRANDSTAND SO I COULD SEE OVER THE CROWDS HEADS.YES THOSE WERE THE DAYS WHEN THE GRANDSTAND WAS FULL.SPEEDWAY NEVER RECOVERED FROM WHEN IT WAS BURNED DOWN.IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AT CLEVELAND PARK,SOME NIGHTS I THOUGHT THEY WOULD ANNOUNCE THE CROWD CHANGES TO THE TEAMS AS THERE SEEMED TO BE MORE RIDERS!!!!! |
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| 13/6/2002 17:44 GMT |
BOB FERRY |
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| Hi Steve, just looking through the site, great to see the old track, I can see Jack and Frankie out there! Best wishes, Bob. |
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| 13/6/2002 17:43 GMT |
Steve |
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| Stavvy - Chelsea, great punk band, mediocre football team, 'nuff said. Andy - Apologies, thought you had a down on Elite League riders. |
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| 13/6/2002 17:00 GMT |
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| CHELSEA CHELSEA CHELSEA WELL THERE YOU GO JASON HOPE THAT KEEPS YOU GOING IT'S PROBABLY THE MFC IN YOU THAT JUST CAN'T LET GO OF YOUR PREJUDICES AND HATRED OF CFC SORRY IF THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR UPSETTING AND SPOILING 3 OF YOUR 4 TRIPS TO WEMBLEY BUT THERE YOU GO HATRED IS A TERRIBLE THING WHICH EATS YOU UP LOL LOOK WHAT IT'E DONE TO YOU.AT LEAST YOU HAVE LOST YOUR BET YOU DIDN'T SAY YOU BET ON THE ARSENAL AS WELL SERVES YOU RIGHT THREE TIMES OVER(LOL)AND AS FOR YOU STEVE WELL YOU HAVE REALLY UPSET ANDY.B SO MUCH IN FACT THAT HE HAS POSTED THE SAME MESSAGE FIVE TIMES WHAT HAPPENED TO ONE POST PER VISIT.ANDY COME ON TAKE IT LIKE A MAN EVEN IF YOU ARE INNOCENT.WHEN I MENTIONED EL I MENTIONED IT BECAUSE JASON SENT ME AN EMAIL ABOUT SAME SUBJECT AND SKY TV.SO I'AM SURE IT WAS JUST A MISTAKE ON STEVES PART, AND YOU SHOULD FORGIVE HIM AFTERALL WE ALL FORGAVE THE PUSEY FOR PULLING THE WOOL OVER OUR EYES FOR TEN YEARS INTO BELIEVING HE WAS A SPEEDWAY RIDER WHAT A BUNCH OF SUCKERS WE ALL WERE. |
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| 13/6/2002 16:20 GMT |
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| Steve, when did I say I was fed up of the top riders and the Elite League? Which posting was it when I typed that? What I said was and I quote "it seemed to be a usual EL gaters paradise" and I made a comment before that comparing it with the old days of the BL saying you were lucky to see an entertaining BL fixture. And 10 or 12 years ago the majority of NL track supporters would have subscribed to a similar opinion. I don't get to see much racing these days to to my forces commitments as you all know but I have been on a few occasions and seen some good meetings (St Austell, Workington , Newcastle). Maybe I have been unlucky in what I have seen on television, maybe I'm a dinosaur living in the past, yearning to see the type of racing we cut our teeth on again but hey a lot of us used to do that didn't we? I have seen some terrific First Division racing (BLRC's, Internationals, World Championship rounds) when some wouldn't go saying they didn't like that type of racing. It's not the first time I've been misquoted (I have been quoted as saying I was opposed to the return of speedway to Middlesbrough when nothing was further from the truth) But again,it's matter of personal opinion and if what I say displeases people well I'm not apologising. I thought that this was what forums and threads and stuff was all about. Steve |
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| 13/6/2002 15:27 GMT |
JASON PIPE |
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| WELL STAV , YOU WILL BE PLEASED TO KNOW THAT I HAVE LOST MY BET NOW ! I ALSO HAD THE BLOODY 'I TIES ' TO WIN GROUP G . I ALSO HAD SCHUMACHER TO BE WORLD FORMULA 1 CHAMP AND ARSENAL TO WIN PREMIERSHIP. NEVER MIND, CANT WIN ALL THE TIME ! WAS IT 1976 THAT WE CHANGED TO TIGERS ? THAT'S THE YEAR I STARTED GOING SO THAT MUST BE WHY I'M A TIGER. THE BEST RACE JACKET WE EVER HAD WAS THAT TIGER RIDING THE BIKE ! I WONDER IF ANYONE (COLIN !) CAN REMEMBER IF THERE WERE HAS MANY BEARS SONGS IN THOSE FAR AWAY DAYS COMPARED TO TO ALL THE TIGERS ONES WE KNOW. AWAY MEETINGS ONLY TO COUNT. SORRY I COULDN'T JOIN IN LAST NIGHT. OTHERWISE ENGAGED WATCHING HULL AGAINST SHEFFIELD. NOT A BAD MEETING REALLY BUT NOT AS EXCITING AS THE SCORELINE SUGGESTS. SHEFFIELD ALWAYS IN FRONT UNTIL HEAT 10 BUT THEN THE TRACK WAS BECOMING SO SLICK AND DUSTY BECAUSE NO WATER COULD BE PUT DOWN DUE TO THE ALWAYS THREAT OF RAIN. THESE CONDITIONS WERE BETTER FOR HULL WHO WERE FASTER GATERS AND IT BECOME PROCESSIONAL FOR THE LAST 6 RACES. I THINK WE NEED TO PUT A POLL ON THIS WEBSITE ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE WHICH WAS THE BEST NAME AND THAT CAN SETTLE IT ONCE AND FOR ALL ! THE CHOICES TO BE BEARS, TIGERS AND TEESSIDERS. WOULD DO IT MYSELF BUT DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THE POLL ON. STAVVY - STOP WRITING FILTHY WORDS LIKE C.....A ALL OVER THIS GUESTBOOK !! WHAT'S THE NEXT TOPIC / DEBATE ABOUT STAV ? ! |
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| 13/6/2002 15:12 GMT |
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| BOYS BOYS PLEASE GET SOME SELF CONTROL HERE,PERSONALLY I PREFER TIGERS BECAUSE AS THE KING OF THE JUNGLE IT TRANSMITS FEAR AND FORCEFULLNESS .THIS STAVVY BLOKE APPEARS TO BE A BIT OF A BERK BUT OBVIOUSLY KNOWS HIS SPEEDWAY I HAVE MANY STORIES ABOUT HIM AND THE TIGERS INFAMOUS AWAY FANS.HOW THEY WERE LOVED BY THE FANS OF THE TRACKS THEY VISITED BUT NOT SO POPULAR WITH THE HOME SUPPORTERS AT CLEVELAND PARK BECAUSE THEY FELT THE AWAY FANS SHAMED THEM AT AWAY MATCHES BY HAVING THE CHEEK TO ACTUALLY GIVE THE STADIUM A BIT OF ATMOSPHERE.THEY ALSO COULD NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THEY COULD ABUSE PEOPLE(IT'S KNOWN AS BANTER TO MOST PEOPLE)BUT THEN BE SEEN IN THE BAR WITH THEM AFTERWARDS.I HAVE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE FRIENDSHIPS THEY STRUCK UP WITH THIER RIVAL SUPPORTERS AT PLACES LIKE MILTON KEYNES,MILDENHALL,EDINBURGH ETC ETC. I HAVE ALSO HEARD HOW THE GEORDIES LOOKED FORWARD TO THE VISIT OF THE TIGERS BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WOKE UP THE REST OF BROUGH PARK.WELL OF COURSE THESE COULD BE BIASED STORIES AS THEY HAVE BEEN RELAYED TO ME BY THE MAN HIMSELF AS I AM MARRIED TO THE PRAT. |
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| 13/6/2002 14:57 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Tony don't know if you know me but if you do you know i would not spit out my dummy always been a big lad so even when i was a baby it was more likely to be a leg of lamb rather than a dummy.And yes iit does matter which name after all the football team are known as Boro(even though we know scarborough are the trus boro)and they have won nothing despite changing their nickname from ironsiders and unfortunatly(or fortunatly in my case)they still won nothing we changed from teessiders to tigers and boom we won things even if it did take a while. Chelsea changed from pensioners to blues and won the league straight away(not since unfortunatly)sothe name does matter.nice to see the capitals thing is catching on guys. |
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| 13/6/2002 13:41 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| STAV.I LOVE THE WAY YOU CONNECT THINGS.I HAVE PUT A PICTURE IN THE LATEST NEWS OF THE GUY TO BLAME FOR THE BEARS NAME.I WAS WATCHING SPEEDWAY FROM 1961 UNTIL 1966,WE WERE ONLY CLOSED FOR ONE YEAR OPENING AGAIN 1N 1968 AS TEESSIDERS.(GIVE US A BIG T)I THINK YOU WILL HAVE BEEN OUT OF YOUR NAPPY BY THEN.AS FOR CLEAN LEATHERS,STEVE WILCOCK NEVER GOT HIS DIRTY DID HE.REMEMBER IF IT WAS A BIT CLAGGY,ON WENT THOSE OLD BLUE OVERHAULS .VERY HAPPY DAYS.I AM ALMOST TAKEN TO TIGERS NOW (SECOND FAVE) |
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| 13/6/2002 13:40 GMT |
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| NOW NOW LET'S NOT SPIT OUR DUMMIES OUT (joke) DOES IT MATTER WHAT THEY WERE CALLED WHEN YOU STARTED WATCHING THEM (it was TEESSIDE TEESSIDERS for me)(back in THE LAST 60's IN MY PRAM)AS LONG AS A TEAM STARTS UP AGAIN WITH A NAME THAT IS CHOSEN BE THE PEOPLE IN A VOTE. |
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| 13/6/2002 13:12 GMT |
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| NICE TO SEE YOU POSTING AGAIN COLIN IT WAS GETTING A LITTLE COSY WITH JUST MYSELF AND JASON(STILL HOPE HE LOSES HIS BET.BEING AS MY MOTHER AND FATHER WERE NOT EVEN AROUND IN 1929 CAN'T COMMENT ABOUT THE NICKNAME BUT HITLER WAS OBVIOUSLY A LOVE RIVAL OR BUSINESS RIVAL OF VIC WIELAND BUT NEVER THE LESS 1961 FOLLOWED AND ANOTHER CLOSURE THE BEARS NAME IS PURELY AND SIMPLY A JINX NAME LEADING TO CLOSURE.GOING BACK TO 1939 BACK IN AUSTRIA HITLER WAS FONDLY KNOWN AS THE MAD BEAR SO THERE YOU GO AND AFTER ALL THE MAD BEAR CAME TO POWER IN GERMANY BECAUSE OF THE 1929 RECCESSION.AS YOU CAN SEE I OBVIOUSLY DON'T LIKE THE BEARS THING.THE MIDDLESBROUGH BEARS WERE PROBABLY THE TAMEST BEARS IN THE WORLD EVER.AS FOR MY DIRTYING THE INSIDE OF MY PANTS. I DO HOPE YOUR NOT SUGGESTING THAT EVEN AS A BABY I HAD A KINKY LIKING FOR LEATHER BUT I MUST POINT OUT COLIN I WAS NOT BORN UNTIL DECEMBER OF 1961. SO YOU WERE PROBABLY GETTING AS WET ON THE OUTSIDE AS I WAS IN MY NAPPIES RATHER THAN WATCHING RIDERS GETTING LEATHERS DIRTY AND AFTER ALL IF THEY WERE THAT GOOD THEIR LEATHERS SHOULD OF BEEN CLEAN THE FACT THAT SOMEONE(WHO SHOULD BE SHOT)COULD EVEN CONTEMPLATE DESIGNING THAT RACEJACKET AND THAT SOME SELF RESPECTING PROMOTER WOULD ENTERTAIN USING IT SUMS UP THE PEOPLE WHO LIKED THE NAME(TONGUE JUST BRUSHED MY CHEEK)PITY HITLER DIDN'T BOMB MACMILLAN COLLEGE FOR DRAFT DODGING, TAX EVADING, HIPPY STUDANTS WHO TAKE OUR MONEY SO THAT THEY CAN STUDY TO BECOME COUNCILLERS WHO DEPRIVE US OF OUR SPEEDWAY. |
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| 13/6/2002 07:13 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| STAV.STEVE WILCOCK IS A HERO TO A LOT OF MIDDLESBROUGH FANS,MYSELF INCLUDED.THAT COULD BE WHY YOU LIKE TIGERS BEST.WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE THOUGHT IF THEY HAD BEEN BEARS WHEN STEVE STARTED.I LIKE YOUR UPTAKE ON THE DATES BUT.....IN 1929 MIDDLESBROUGH CLOSED BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION,BUT THEY WERE NOT BEARS IN THOSE DAYS.I WASN'T THERE,I HAVE READ ABOUT IT.IN 1939 THEY CLOSED BECAUSE OF POOR GATES,NOT BECAUSE OF THE WAR,WHICH MAYBE STARTED BECAUSE HITLER WAS A SUPPORTER AND WAS UPSET.(That is to be taken lightly and not meant to offend anyone )IN THE 1940'S FRANK HODGSON WAS A BEAR AND IS STILL A LEGEND (YES ) ON TEESSIDE.IN 1961 WHILST I WAS WATCHING MY FIRST SPEEDWAY,ERIC BOOTHROYD WAS MY HERO,STILL IS.THAT MEANS WHILE I WAS WATCHING RIDERS GETTING THEIR LEATHERS DIRTY ON THE OUTSIDE YOU WERE STILL DIRTYING YOURS ON THE INSIDE! THAT BEAR LOGO YOU MENTION..WELL IT WAS REALLY AWFUL WASN'T IT.DO YOU KNOW THE CULPRIT WHO DESIGNED IT? |
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| 12/6/2002 21:51 GMT |
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| COLIN WHO COME EVERY DATE YOU GIVE COINCIDES WITH MAJOR NASTY OCCURANCES 1929 RECCESSION 1939 WORLD WAR 2 1961 THE BIRTH OF A MAJOR PAIN IN THE ARSE(AS THE WIFE PUTS IT)1996 CLOSURE OF OUR TRACK COME TO THINK OF IT EVERY CLOSURE HAS COME UNDER THE BANNER OF MIDDLESBROUGH BEARS OH DEAR COLIN COME ON YOU TEESSIDE TIGERS COME HOME |
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| 12/6/2002 21:43 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| TO TRUE MATE(COLIN)BUT MOST OF US WERE BROUGHT UP ON THE MILK OF MOTHER TIGER AS LITTLE OLD TIGER CUBS BEARS DIDNT WIN ANYTHING OF NOTE WELL CERTAINLY NOT THE VERSION SOME OF US YOUNGER UPSTARTS WERE AROUND FOR AND AFTER THAT PATHETIC BEAR ON THE RACE JACKETS HOW COULD WE BE CALLED BEARS BUT PUT IT THIS WAY STEVE WILCOCK WAS A TIGER LONG BEFORE HE WAS ABEAR SO THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.....PS USING CAPITALS BECAUSE MY UPSTART VISION IS FAILING |
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| 12/6/2002 17:24 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Listen,you two.(Stav and Jason)The speedway team started off as just plain Middlesbrough in 1929,they were first called BEARS in 1939.When my father went in the 1940's,they were BEARS.When I was a lad in 1961 they were BEARS.When they closed in 1996 they were BEARS.So to me they will always be BEARS.It is tradition.It seems to me that most people (I have said most!) like the era they first went to the speedway.Please keep the banter going.Excellent reading! If we could somehow have a team I wouldn't mind them being called Boring Boro,oh sorry ,thats a different sport! |
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| 12/6/2002 16:31 GMT |
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| Don't use full stops because it's my way of helping mankind,so when you read it it helps you develope your cardio vascular capacity and yes it will always be TIGERS . |
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| 11/6/2002 21:07 GMT |
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| Now then big fella ! This guestbook is getting interesting ! You must start learning to put in full stops ! Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear earlier. I was sat on the next table to Wrighty in the Indian with my girlfriend. Not sat on his knee !! I too, remember the Puse getting that 15pt max against Newcastle in Sept 81. You have a good point about MFC and what they have not won for the town compared to what the Tigers did. Still will always be the Tigers. We will always be remembered around the country for those Tigers warcries ! I also find it difficult getting my head around PL/EL. Always will be NL/BL. It must just be our age showing !! Somerset were awful at Newcastle last night and having Dicko as a guest for N.Collins didn't help them. Sorry Dicko, but it's no secret that you don't like Brough Park. The racing at Newcastle this season is the best it has been for YEARS and even that bump on the 3rd bend has finally dissapeared. Just a pity it was against poor opposition last night. Looking forward to seeing a good NL battle tomorrow night with Hull against Sheffield. The Craven park track may not be brilliant for Speedway but these are the meetings to go to for a neutral ! Hopefully Malcolm Wright can sort out a lease extension and when the dogs finish racing there at the end of this year then the track may be widened and the bends bank. This would then have the potential to be a decent Speedway arena. Shame to see the problems with the Stock Cars has resurfaced again at Belle Vue. That being the reason for last nights meeting against Poole being called off last Friday. Doesn't look like any racing at Belle Vue for the next 4 weeks, as there is another Stock Car meeting in 4 weeks time. They are looking at racing some fixtures at Stoke ! By the way, something else I found out. Terry Russell DOES choose with Sky what meetings are shown live. One PL/NL meeting is bad enough but isn't there a Big Brother at Arena ? ! BRIGHTY-- yes I do remember that selfishness of Sumner at Milton Keynes. Talking of Daz, does anyone remember that Night at Peterborough when he FINALLY decided to go round the outside ( at a big track ! ) of Justin Walker coming out of the 4th bend and being fenced by that A...H... Walker ? |
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| 11/6/2002 19:56 GMT |
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| Well Jason nice to see I still have the midus touch for provoking responses.As for the Rickardsson thing well Jason I repeat Rickardsson moved back on the instructions of the start marshall and then moved back towards the tapes it does not mean he was ready the fact the ref held the tapes a long time does not mean Rickardsson was ready.TR normally comes to the tapes and does not pay attention to the other riders the start marshall made him move back broke his concentration but thats neither here nor there he did not spit out his dummy and I'am sure the others would of done the same but Rickardsson was the only one who was made to move back and reposition himself.I still hope you lose your bet nothing personal but you deserve too for backing Crump and Eastbourne ha! ha! WHAT A DISGRACE.I entered two teams in the Speedway star under the Boro name made up entirely of ex Boro riders and needless to say Iam getting nowhere but it's the principle of it not, the money Jason including Courtney which is probably why I can recognise him although he has not aged well.But sorry you did say you were fed up with BL racing(can't get used to the elite/premier stuff will always be BL/NL)being on sky tv and Stoney/Holta apart they are all or recently been BL riders personally although this years meeting was better than the one last year the GPs do not compare to the NL riders championship racing of the old days.Can't comment on falling viewing figures but then we have had european football, FA cup football and world cup build ups to compete with so lets wait and see.But Jason as a Chelsea fc supporter it would be remiss of me to miss an opportunity to have a pop at the Boro now its been 6 years since Middlesbroughs premier sports team met it's demise after all the tigers/bears brought a league title, 2 riders championships, 2 four team titles a pairs title,3 (correct me if ia'm wrong Steve lol)British juniour titles and provided a rider who went on to be european junior and world individual champion.What have MFC ever brought to the town? a question I would like to ask Middlesbrough borough council when they continue to put obstacles in the way of ,speedway returning to the town.Hope you liked the use of MFC on the guestbook Jason see there is a place for it well hope to provoke more action here soon Brighty the KL vs Eagles match was excellent I hate to say so stop talking tosh(ha! ha!)sorry to hear about Wrightys car but he still looks well saw him at Sheffield the other week.Hope you enjoyed your meal with him and you didn't suffer from Gandhi's slipper must of been what inspired you to back Crumpy because when ever he wins a gp race never mind a title he always looks like he had an indian the night before with that silly celebration of his.Unfortunatly we are likely to see it a lot during the world cup.Finally can I please clear something up Geoff Pusey did get a full house against the debmat/lada/happy larry/rule benders/etc but Mike Spink actually scored the championship winning race points ha ha ha.well Jason ,Boro fans,ginger Crumpy types,rule bender fans,eagleyes fans(your next to become defunt with TR)and pussey fans please don't put out contracts out on my life but feel free to abuse me here bye peeps. |
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| 11/6/2002 16:14 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Time to have my say again ! Thanks Steve for correcting Stavvy. I do detest EL team racing but I do enjoy watching the top EL riders in the Grand Prix's, World(team)Cup and Riders Championship. Not had chance yet to see video footage of Rickardsson in heat 24 but did see it on Big screen, and from what I seen, it looked to me that Rickardsson WAS ready and revving away and the problem was the time the tapes were held. Stavvy- It's a wonder you even reconised Courtney.Just after he had done time, he had to be pointed out to me ! He just looked alot lot older. Also Keep the Boro(footie)out of this Guestbook. No room for Football in Speedway ! I don't really want Crump to be World Champion as I do know how he goes off on one ! But I had to try and be realistic when it came to putting my Bet on at the start of the season. I got 4/1 for Crump and had to have some of that along with Eastbourne at 5/1 for EL. Rickardsson's odds were not good enough to tempt me. Rickardsson is THE NO 1 and if anyone can stop him then I hope it is either Sully, Adams or Wiltshire. Loram will NEVER be Top Dog again. HE got the luck in 2000, especially when he knocked Rickardsson off and when Rickardsson got excluded for Danno running in to him !! I've just heard this weekend that the Viewing figures for EL meetings on Sky have plummeted. (oh dear !) I also learnt last night that Malcolm Wright had his Car vandalised on the last night at Cleveland Park. This I found to be absolutley shocking news. Malcolm is a top guy, a very good promoter and always has the time to have a chat with me when we ever bump into each other around the country, and that has been quite alot since we shut in 96. I even ended up sat next to him in an Indian Restaurant in York last November and chatted away, which carried on as we walked into the city centre afterwards ! If it wasn't for this guy, then Speedway would have finished in Middlesbrough in 94. I don't know about anyone else, but I can see The EL and PL joining forces by 2004 ! If the GP's are increased to say 13 or 14 then I reckon we should be looking at blocking the top boys riding in Britain and sort out British Speedway on a whole, once and for all. Hopefully this would reduce running costs for EL teams and have more competitive racing in both leagues. I say I dont like EL, but I would like to see it put right and not be a league that is run on dictaitorship by the top riders.It needs sorting for the sake of british Speedway. Maybe we could then look at Workington, Arena Essex, Sheffield, Swindon and Hull going into a new 1st division with lower running costs and seeing teams like Mildenhall, Buxton, Boston, Carmarthen and Wimbledon going into a new 2nd division. The team winning the 2nd division may then see that it could bennefit them if they went up. No team in the PL now could say that. It doesn't matter if we see no Rickardsson, Crump, Loram, Hamill etc in British racing. More stars will come along for joe bloggs to support and then others will just be history ! Aslong as fans are being entertained then it shouldn't matter who wears the colours of your team. British speedway as a whole needs to be run better and have more continuity. This may be just me dreaming,so what do you's lot out there think ? |
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| 10/6/2002 22:05 GMT |
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| I stand corrected but Jason did say he didn't like elite league televised on sky because he found it boring and he emailed me to support a petition which i could not support for the reasons given in a previous posting so I was actually correct.But I would prefer Sullivan(ex premier,nl,div2 etc etc)to Mr Crump as for Gollob I did say on a bike because he can switch lines really quickly etc but yes he does make mistakes.Great performance by Lee Richardson and I have been very suprised by Jonsson. |
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| 10/6/2002 19:55 GMT |
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| It was Andy Brighty who said he was fed up of the top riders and the Elite League, Stavvy. This meeting proved that the best riders can produce dramatic cut throat racing including daredevil overtaking manoeuvres and plenty of accidents. A friend of mine said it was like watching Rollerball! I agree with you about Rickardsson. He is the consumate professional speedway rider and the referee sold him a dummy. He was right to protest like he did because the ref held the tapes for an eternity and as any speedway rider will tell you, a burnt out clutch is often the result. Gollob will never be world champion because he makes mistakes on and off the track. Why did he allow Mikael Karlsson the opportunity to overtake him? Was his bike misfiring or did he think second place would give him an easier race next time out? If that was the case it backfired. Crump - He's good but not good enough! He lacks the consistency of Rickardsson who left him for dead at the tapes when they met (and Crump had the best gate). For me the Australian challenge will come from Ryan Sullivan. I was really impressed with Lee Richardson, Mikael Karlsson and Andreas Johnsson. The atmosphere was fantastic and the racing top class. |
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| 10/6/2002 19:35 GMT |
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| Jason very good report on the cardiff meeting but did you not say that you were fed up with the top riders and elite league? yes this years meeting was better than last years and yes you are correct to say Sullivan and crump along with Rickardsson as the three favourites but I do seem to remember one Jason Crump spitting out his dummy in the past not to mention Ole Olsen and Ivan Mauger to name a few not to mention dare I Geoff Pusey who frequently spat his dummy out almost on a weekley basis lets see there was the now infamous Berwick incident or the testimonial incident or should I mention the problem with Havvy senior at Poole because he was taken out of a race lets face it he had far less to lose having met Mr Rickardson he is a consumate professional and does not moan lightly.When there is so much at stake heard the one about man utd spitting out there dummies against Boro because the ref justifiably gave Boro a penalty that is spitting out your dummy Roy keanes behaviour in Japan thats spitting out your dummy.Jason I invite you to watch the video of the meeting Rickardsson moves to the tapes but was not ready and the fact the others didn't complain was because they made the start the start marshall did not bring all 4 to starters orders before he moved away.I have never seen Rickardsson exhibit one bit of arrogance or big headedness unlike Mr Crump Rickardsson is the most tuned in rider about as for ability on a bike Gollob outstrips everyone but he is not mentally tuned in like Rickardsson who overall is the best rider and has no arrogance.Remember what happened when Mark Loram knocked him off which Loram admitted and which tv conclusivly proved and then he was knocked off the following meeting by Danno itprobably cost him the title.Sorry Jason but I think too much rests on the world title these days and I immeaditly said the start was unfair because jason i watched it on the big screen and I still think Rickardsson will be world champion as a Crump world title would cost British Speedway a lot of money as every track would have to widen the pits gates to let him in as his head would be bigger than the width of my hips. ps Jason did Boro spit out there dummies when the premier league deducted points when the Boro decided they didn't need to play a game at Blackburn ? (oh dear i have done it now) pps saw Mark Courtney at cardiff don't think he remembered me though. |
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| 9/6/2002 17:21 GMT |
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| Anyone who missed the British Speedway Grand Prix at the Millennium Stadium missed a great spectacle and an experience I never ever thought possible at a Speedway event.I missed last years so can't comment whether this year's was better.Having Speedway in that great Stadium was awesome and I've never ever witnessed atmosphere like that at ANY other sporting event.The noise was so load that you had to shout at the person next to you to be heard(if that was possible)and that was when there was no racing going on !! A great experience and MUST be witnessed by Supporters next year who haven't yet been there.I may have left at 9am to travel down there and not got back till 4.30am this morning(and now shattered)but it was worth it.Looking forward to next years already.Even my Girlfriend,who is not into Speedway enjoyed it so much that even she is talking about going back next year ! Just shows you what an effect that sort of meeting in that sort of Stadium can do to people ! It is an experience that shouldn't be missed by any Speedway fan or by people that don't even follow the sport.Air horns are banned for Football and Rugby events at the Millennium Stadium but were allowed for Speedway.So this made the atmosphere even better and louder than other events held there.Ryan Sullivan was great to watch and deserved his victory and had to take Todd Wiltshire from the back on lap 2.Mikael Karlsson was the most entertaining rider,coming from last to 2nd in one race.I have a feeling Sullivan will go on to win it but Rickardsson and possibly Crump will have something to say about that.Rickardsson spat his dummy out in his Semi Final because the tapes were held too long.It was the same for the other 3 riders and they had no complaints.Crump,Gollob and Karlsson are now on 43 pts each with Adams on 42 and Wiltshire 39,so all it takes in the next round(7 left)is for Rickardsson and Sullivan(Joint leaders on 58)to finsh last in their semi's and collect only 11 points and for one of the others mentioned,to win it and get 25 pts and then their will be a race on for that World Championship.It is brewing up nicely for a fantastic finish.Aslong as it's Crumpie ! |
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| 5/6/2002 13:34 GMT |
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| Well glad to see some activity in this section just returned from a tribute concert for Stuart Adamson of Big Country whos big hit fields of fire was once named as one of the Morans favourite all time record on a sheffield radio station just a little speedway tie in there and for those who prefer music to pop idols(equivilant of bl racing)I can heartily reccommend the new tribute to the man himself SA from the skids to his final days.Well i have to hold my hands up in my old age and say i was NOT responsible for the fast reverse comment why do i get the blame for everything oh dear ha ha .As for the televised meetings there can be no doubt that sky do a very good glossy programme (although a few after meeting interviews would not go amiss, can't see them not interviewing a boxer after a fight or a few players or managers after a football match.But as far as i'am concerened all publicity and coverage is good but in bad weather can affect crowd size so it's good that they don't show premier racing as we get the publicity without losing the gate reciepts.I have watched some premier racing which is just as bad as elite league.we just have to face it that until tracks are properly prepared and i still believe that equipment needs standardising to make it more on the rider than the bike which has most spent on it.Also track safety has to be addressed as bikes get faster and riders trust in the safety of tracks increases then the less likely a rider is to blast round someone up against the fence etc.as always the promoters are to blame and at the end of the day the flashy leathers and improved presentations are not enough if all riders don't go to the tapes even with a good race strip and then it's down to ability but personally i think the elite on tv is a good thing as basically it's free advertising without loss of attendances. As for the where are they now hoping to get stuff off spinky and Dave Walsh soon and hope to check up with some others at the southern tracks...bye bye 4 now peeps |
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| 1/6/2002 18:30 GMT |
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| Andy - If you visit the following website you will see they have issues 2-8 of One More Lap for sale for 35p! http://home.clara.net/sjafn/fanzines_nonfootball.htm A 'Where Are They Now?' section is a great idea but we need people like you and 'Stav' to contribute as it is difficult getting hold of some people. Regarding the King's Lynn/Eastbourne match - if you turned it off after four heats you missed some good racing later on. |
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| 1/6/2002 09:52 GMT |
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| Steve - I couldn't comment on what I didn't see. I said I put it off after a couple of heats because it seemed to be a usual EL gaters paradise. I made the juniors comparison only on what I saw at the time. Jason - worst riders for team spirit? DAZ SUMNER without question. Remember going to Milton Keynes at Elfield Park? Sumner got himself a 15 point max and left Steve Wilcock struggling to hold off the Knights pairing? Never seen a greater example of selfishness as Mr Sumner and we often taunted him about it did we not? I remember making this statement in OML several times. Does anyone still have copies of said fanzine as mine have gone missing when I moved to Gosport. Steve - how about a 'where are they now' section? Didn't you once tell me that PETE READING is now a school caretaker in Retford? Oh by the way, my mate on the Lancaster is called Kev Roberts and by his own admissions wasn't up with the pace of the big boys. More you're Barrie Simpson type. |
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| 1/6/2002 00:56 GMT |
Steve |
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| JASON PIPE - Funny you should mention ROD HUNTER as lacking in team spirit. Another rider who was popular with the crowd but not so popular in the pits was FRANK AUFFRET first time round. I understand he made very little attempt to mix with the other riders and spent a lot of time on his own - which sounds bizarre for a speedway rider. It's funny though because there are riders who have all the ability and don't become popular and then riders with more enthusaism than ability who may have only ridden briefly for the club yet were held in high esteem than some of the clubs more established riders: Examples include Glen Hornby, Jim Burdfield, Bob Watts, Stuart Macdonald and Dave Edwards. |
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| 31/5/2002 23:25 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Hi Steve-I could be wrong here but wasn't Carsten not to be seen again after he broke his arm up at Shawfield(Glasgow)? I to liked his still of riding and his English was pretty good to which made him popular with the Fans and his team mates.I remember talking to him about an hour before that meeting up at Shawfield and I was telling him to watch out for the 3rd and 4th bends because they rode alot tighter than they looked and many a rider had come a cropper there.You will probably remember that in either his 1st or 2nd ride he fell off in the middle of those two bends and broke his arm !! Shawn Venables was a BIG fans favourite and I will always remember that night up in the bar at Stoke when around eight or so of us gathered around him and started chanting his name-those were the days ! He thought it was brilliant.The King's Lynn v Eastbourne was an improvement on EL racing which was helped by those races between Screeny and Pedersen.But King's Lynn has always been known as a good racing track anyway.The Camera work was questionable though,as it seemed to be very poor in my eyes.I jumped for joy when Screeny got that 3rd place on the line in last heat.I'm starting to sweat now as I stand to win just over a grand if Eastbourne win the EL-well to be top before the play offs-and Crumpie to be World Champion.Ive also had a little side bet of Coventry and Rickardsson.Anyone remember Glenn Hornby?He was a big fans Favourite aswell in 1986.Never given it a thought about a team of worst riders ever signed by Middlesbrough.I'll have to give it some thought.How about this one then-Name me the worst riders we ever had who did not want to know when it came to team spirit??? Mine is Rod Hunter. |
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| 31/5/2002 18:19 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| Andy - Ah so you missed the classic races between Screen and Pedersen. If that had been Wilcock and Lawson at Cleveland Park you would have been saying 'class racing'. I thought King's Lynn were well up for it last night and took the match to Eastbourne. A bit more luck and they would have cracked it. What was the lad's name who used to grasstrack? PAUL BOOTHBY - I wasn't being detrimental to CARSTEN PELZMANN. I thought he showed great potential before he got injured, I was just wondering what happened to him? |
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| 31/5/2002 09:43 GMT |
andy brighty |
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| I'd turned it off after abot 4 heats. A Juniors Jaunt from 1980 featuring John Clegg, Alan Armstrong, Dave Butt and Pete Reading would have been far more entertaining (AND WELL YOU KNOW IT STEVE!). ps I was at one of the navy's schools doing a course, and I was talking to an instructor (well being bored to tears) who was into road racing and he was chuntering on about his 196-whatever bike and his custom made wheels for it. When he told me his wheel builder was none other than MALCOLM SIMMONS well, it made me chuckle. He asked me what I was smiling about but I just admitted I'd heard of him. I have just left HMS Lancaster and one of the guys in my messdeck used to grasstrack in the 70's/80's (he's 44 now) and was good mates with GRAHAM SHORT, JULIAN and SIMON WIGG and TIGER TOM. Small world eh? |
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| 31/5/2002 08:27 GMT |
Paul Boothby |
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| Steve, I remember Carsten, he was from '91. I'm prepared to accept all the flak that's bound to come, but I rather liked him and apart from pretty poor machinery thought he had the makings - he certainly had the right attitude. I also don't recall him being touted as a 'big' signing at the time (unlike some others). If I remember rightly he did start in the reserve berth (and stayed there I think) with decent scores at home against Milton Keynes (but then again who didn't have a good score against the Knights, with 7+1 from 4) and Stoke (7+2 from 5 including a fall). He only had 7 official matches that year and ended up with a 4.5 average (god what a sad git I sound like) and as I say, I quite liked him. Then again it was '91 (The Kenny McKinna year as I'll always think of it) and I was pleased to see anybody show a bit of effort. Remember Shawn Venables from the same year, always reminded me of Paul Price for some reason...........Paul |
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| 30/5/2002 22:54 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| PAUL BOOTHBY - I had Andre Pollehn shortlisted in 'My Nightmare Team'. I think he rode in one away match at Long Eaton and then the home matches against Ipswich and Eastbourne. I noticed his name appearing at a long track meeting on the continent in last week's Speedway Star about him making a comeback! We were so desperate to track a competitive team, having been stitched up on the eve of 1995 season by Bradford, Cradley, Eastbourne and Poole refusing to release riders. I didn't shed many tears when Bradford closed after 1997, in fact I was even more pleased after reading derogatory comments from one of the Ham brothers about us. I was so proud of the team that we avoided bottom spot when it seemed everyone conspired against us and very nearly put us out of business. I remember former rider Mick Bell having a go at our line-up when it was obvious that if we could have signed half decent riders we would have done. Remember Dalle Andersson refusing to even consider signing for us? The only time I was more depressed about speedway at Cleveland Park was the 1992 season. It's funny you know, I can remember things from 1969/1971 better than I can from the early nineties. Thanks for correcting me about the year Kevin Brice rode at Middlesbrough. Can anyone remember CARSTEN PELZMANN? Whatever happened to the great German? To ANDY BRIGHTY - what about the races involving Nikki Pedersen and Joe Screen? |
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| 30/5/2002 19:43 GMT |
andy brighty |
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| Attempted to watch last nights KL V Eastbourne meeting on Sky and I was amazed to see such a small crowd. Is this indicative of live fixtures? I have to say I have watched snippets of GP's and EL matches and found myself bored after a couple of races but then again you were always lucky to find an entertaining BL fixture back in days of yore! Has anything changed or am I being super-cynical (again)! Had to laugh at the ref's to Tony Forward. I remember his black leathers with yellow trim with the monicker 'fast forward' on his backside. "More like 'rapid reverse' quoted some Boro wag! (Was it you, Stavvy?) |
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| 30/5/2002 08:59 GMT |
Paul Boothby |
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| Steve, further regarding your nightmare team. I too remember Kevin Brice, averaged about 4 points a meeting for Arena, Canterbury and Rye House around Cleveland Park, but it was in 1993 not 1991 that we signed him. Result? Three matches at Cleveland Park (not sure about away) 2 rides in each match, two last places in each match. Never seen again. I've a good one for you though....1995 I believe we signed (as opposed to riding as a guest) Andre Pollehn. I remember him having two matches at Cleveland Park, he managed slightly better than Mr. Brice as he scored one point from 4 rides in both of his matches one against Ipswich where he rode at No.7 and one against Mr. Dugard and the Eagles where he rode at No.5 - but to put that into it's proper perspective Martin Peterca (another of your faves) was at No.2 (0 points) and Duncan Chapman was riding at No. 3 (0 points). Stuart Swales at No.7 was our top scorer with 13 paid 14 from 6 rides. Needless to say we lost. |
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| 29/5/2002 21:11 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Extract from the new Sheffield book,Owlerton Legends.This is an A-Z of post war sheffield riders although pre war is featured. TONY FORWARD.1986.Born November 1st 1965. Northampton.Matches 5.Rides 17.Points 9.Bonus points 1.Total points 10.Average 2.35. The book also has further Middlesbrough interest with Broncho Dixon,Mark Fiora, Peter McNamara,Rob Woffinden,Moggo,Vic Lonsdale,Simon Green,Rick France,Geoff Godwin,Dave Cheshire,Tommy Bateman and Will Beveridge all mentioned.The book is a limited edition. |
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| 28/5/2002 18:38 GMT |
Steve |
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| Tony Forward was a grasstracker from Northampton who came to Middlesbrough on loan from then First Division Sheffield Tigers in 1986. His arrival at Cleveland Park was meant to boost the lower end of the team but he struggled manfully to adapt to the tight confines of the track. His one memorable victory came against Birmingham 1986 when he managed to beat a Brummies heat leader, which afforded him a rapturous lap of honour. |
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| 28/5/2002 07:46 GMT |
Tony Richardson |
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| Hi Steve Heres a name to bring back bad memories Tony Forword (fast forword)a stylish rider but never got anywhere, he tried the laydown engine back in the early 90's. Lets not forget the juniors how about me? |
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| 27/5/2002 19:19 GMT |
Harry Atkinson |
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| Re Doncaster Speedway, It was originally intended that Allied Presentations would promote there, Ron Wilson told me that he had gone to see the owner on a Monday only to find that Mike Parker had been on the preceding Friday. It was no surprise to me that it failed to attract viable support, as I had the pleasure(?) of going to the first event which was Hot-Rod car racing, and it is no exaggeration that the tops of the wheels were just visible in the massive groove which appeared at the pits end. I went back the following week when Canterbury were the visitors, and it was soon obvious that the track was a problem, in fact the Canterbury riders were very close to refusing to continue. It got better but only slightly and I would suggest that was the prime reason for the poor attendance, which did not help Joe Thurley, who did produce a decent track, but probably decided that the opportunity to re-open Birmingham was a better financial investment. Bradford, my information on Odsal is that the Tesco move is a dead duck, and has been for some time, likewise the suggestion of putting a roof on. As an aside I went to the first Mike Parker meeting after he transferred Nelson, and went round the track with several others collecting stones in buckets, it didn't take long to fill them, also the first visitors were Canterbury, remember Doncaster? Later in the season when Middlesbrough were there to re-run our walk-out Nelson meeting, Bob Owen the referee had the authority to stop the meeting taking place if improvements had not been carried out in a satisfactory manner. I could not see any improvement at all, and Tom Leadbitter and I had words when he refused to take an extra ride. |
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| 23/5/2002 12:27 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| I have to agree with Jason.Last nights Peterborough v Eastbourne was a pretty tame affair with only a couple of decent races. Jason,you have said last night was poor.Yes it was, but this was the best EL league match shown so far this season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23/5/2002 10:47 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Once again we had to witness very poor EL racing on Sky Sports Last night.Surely this sort of Speedway(if you can call it that!)must be having plenty of PL Supporters either switching off or shaking their heads?Us PL Supporters!need to start bombarding the Sky Sports Editor with Loads of emails of complaint.You see more passes in ONE heat of PL racing compared to a WHOLE 15 heats of EL.I don't know if there are people out there that would agree with me?But we must try and do something.I've sent my email to The Sky Sports Editor,but still waiting a reply.His/Her email address can be found on the SkySports.com website.Get those emails flowing and let's get through to these people at Sky that there are more PL teams and Supporters in this Country than EL and Sky should be looking at a much wider audience and better QUALITY!As watching the best riders doesn't always bring the better Racing as we know.Terry Russell has alot to do with what is showen and he has ALWAYS been anti PL,National League,Second Division,whatever you want to call it.Come on and lets get more PL on TV.At the end of the day fan pressure will win!!!!!!!Ok,so it may help a bit.GET TYPING. |
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| 17/5/2002 15:23 GMT |
Someone Who Knows Something |
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| Darlington FC is up for sale! Owner George Reynolds wants to sell for one million pounds. The deal does not include the new stadium which he wants to retain for pop concerts. Imagine what a great speedway stadium it would make! |
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| 15/5/2002 06:30 GMT |
Geo. R. Richardson |
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| Hi.Andy.It appears we must be patient a while longer,see my letter 8/5/2002,it looks as though the Council have awoken to the fact that Speedway is wanted back on Teesside and maybe they also realize the publicity it would bring. Cheers Geo. |
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| 14/5/2002 18:39 GMT |
Andy Brighty |
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| Hi all. What's happening as regards to resurrecting speedway on Teesside? Like to keep tabs on what's happening up home. Regards to all |
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| 13/5/2002 17:03 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Must say that last Saturday's Grand Prix in Norway was the worst one i have ever seen.does anyone remember seeing one worse than that?It may be good having 10 Grand Prix rounds but Saturday once again only proves that the racing on these tracks laid for these one off meetings is no good for riders or spectators watching.In fact it is dangerous for riders even with the air faces.Fans will travel to watch the racing whether it is in a plush stadium or wherever,aslong as they know they will be seeing good racing.Why can't Britain have more than one Grand Prix?The Millenium stadium might have good facilities but at the end of the day the racing was very poor last year.BSI are kidding themselves if they think they will have a MUCH BIGGER! crowd this year.Sheffield would be able to cope with a Grand prix providing money was spent on doing up the back straight and getting a safety licence for it.They would easily recoup that money and more.The facilities are one of the best around and Sheffield would deserve one.People may say why not use Odsal why it is awaiting modernisation(if it ever happens!)but we would have the same problem with the track cutting up,as even though the track is still there it would need time for the shale to bed in and this can't happen if regular racing is not taking place on it.Here's looking forward to Sat 25 May when we should get some good Grand prix racing in Poland!Poole also is another track worth considering for a Grand Prix. |
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| 12/5/2002 19:04 GMT |
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| MOTHER-IN-LAW TELLS OF SPEEDWAY STAR'S UNBEARABLE AGONY BY ECHO REPORTER 12:00 - 23 April 2002 Exeter Falcons speedway rider Lawrence Hare "often wants to die", a relative told the Echo today. Lol's mother-in-law Audrey Tully said the 32-year-old city ace was "lying in agony" on his hospital bed. Mr Hare is in a stable condition at the Royal Gwent Hospital after he suffered serious neck and back injuries in an horrific crash at Newport, South Wales, on April 14. As we reported on Saturday, he has been told by doctors he will never walk again. Mrs Tully said: "This is no fairy story. There is no magic bean for Lawrence to swallow. This is reality. "The truth of the matter is that lovely, lovely Lol is extremely poorly. He can move just his head at the moment and that has two bolts and weights attached to them. "He is only being sedated as much as staff dare because of his chest infection. He is no coward or stranger to pain. He is in unbearable agony. Quite often he wants to die." Mr Hare is facing an operation on Thursday after which it is hoped that feeling will return back to his arms. But Mrs Tully, who lives in Ipswich, added: "It is not expected to do the same for his legs ever unless, as we have been told, there is a miracle - and these don't happen very often. "So while we all try to be optimistic those who are closest to Lol must be practical and accept that there is a long, painful uphill climb for Lol. Nobody gets up and walks away from these injuries." Mr Hare's heartbroken mother-in-law spoke movingly of the young man's condition. "We all try to encourage him to make as good a recovery as possible. It isn't going to be easy, least of all for Lawrence who still lies motionless in his bed, not knowing when he will be able to sit up. "He wakes from drug-induced sleeps panicking because he cannot feel himself breathing." She was bitter that an air fence hadn't been installed at the Newport track, which could have saved Mr Hare from his injuries. "I read in the paper that for a measly £300 an air fence can be hired. That's 600 spectators paying 50p each on entrance fee. For that small amount of cash and a bit of foresight on the part of those at the top, Lol would, in his own words, have walked away from this. "I know there is no guarantee that he would have been unharmed. But he would have stood more chance. "Given the choice of being hurled at speed into a concrete wall or an air fence I know which I would chose. But sadly the riders are not given a choice. It's easy to look at a lovely smiling photo of Lawrence. "But I can tell you this - he isn't smiling now and it will be a long time before he does. He looks nothing like the pictures we see in print. "That is why for as long as I draw breath I will continue to make noise and irritate people until something is done." Mrs Tully suggested drawing up a petition for every speedway track in Britain to be signed by spectators, riders and others at entrance gates and to forward them on to the Health and Safety Minister. Mrs Tully will also be approaching her own Member of Parliament, Michael Lord, to ensure something is done. "I will spend the rest of my days campaigning in between supporting Lawrence during his recovery period." The Exeter Speedway Supporters' Club has set the ball rolling with an initial donation of £1,000. Anyone who wants to make a donation can pay a cheque to the Lawrence Hare Support Fund at any HSBC branch, the sort code is 40-25-37 and the account number 21643487. You can also send cheques c/o Mike Western, 64 Sandringham Close, Ipswich IP2 9DT. Or you can send messages of support to Mr Hare at eesport@westcountrypublications.co.uk or via Falcons promoter Colin Hill, at 76 Chudleigh Road, Alphington, Exeter EX2 8TZ. |
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| 12/5/2002 17:34 GMT |
LEEDS FAN |
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| I suggested that a while ago but it got deleted of. I think it would cost too much to do and the track would cut up too much just like in the Millennium stadium and last night in Norway. If top class riders fall like they did last night God help the others. |
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| 9/5/2002 15:35 GMT |
Willie Whigham |
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| Why not test the water with a speedway meeting to be staged at the Riverside? If that sounds daft nobody thought the Millennium Stadium would ever stage speedway but it has. Granted it was for a one off meeting but a similar idea here attracting the sport's biggest riders would be interesting to guage support for such a venture on a long term basis. |
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| 9/5/2002 01:06 GMT |
Chris Young |
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| Great site. My uncle used to ride for Middlesborough in the early 80's. Anyone remember Alan Armstrong??? Rode at reserve. Mail me if you'd like to contact him |
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| 8/5/2002 17:05 GMT |
Geo R. Richardson |
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| At last nights meeting of Greyhound / Speedway,we were informed that things were still moving along, but rather slowly, but, and this is the good news, the Council want the Stadium to be multipurpose, thus Speedway may not have been ruled out.Cheers Geo. |
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| 8/5/2002 14:45 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| To whoever voted for Sheffield as the best racing track. Take a trip to Glasgow(saracen park)and Edinburgh(Armadale)and then come back and say Sheffield is still the best.I DEFINATELY think you will change your mind!! |
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| 5/5/2002 18:40 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Where are you Puse?Come and join in.Have your say.You were good once but went on to long! |
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| 1/5/2002 20:52 GMT |
stavvy |
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| dear me well Geoff Pusey seems to be stimulating as much controversy now as he did when he was riding at least he has got a bit of activity going on the website. |
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| 1/5/2002 20:10 GMT |
The Man With The Dogs |
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| The debate on the merits of Geoff Pusey is causing some passion! Most fans only ever saw him at Cleveland Park and it was there where he maintained his presence as a good second string. Away from home he was a different rider, as Stavvy has noted. I remember at Eastbourne towards the end of the 1985 season he was twice out of the gate in front but on both occasions was soon relegated to the back. In one race Steve Wilcock was waiting to team ride with him but could not believe it when an Eagle went flying past him. At the end of that particular race Steve was shaking his head, probably in disbelief. I was present on a southern tour in 1987/88 (?). We were down at Hackney on the Friday, Eastbourne on the Sunday, Exeter on the Monday and Poole on the Tuesday. We took league champions Hackney and Eastbourne to last heat deciders but could have won them both if Pusey had contributed his average. I spoke to Tim Swales personally about making a change for Exeter and to be fair to him he told Paul Bentley to get his gear and drive down from Darlington to make his debut. Pusey was dropped from the team though he reacted badly to the news. I said to Tim that a young lad coming in now would improve whereas Pusey was past his sell by date basically. We were bottom of the league with nothing to lose and it must have done someone some good somewhere because, although we got hammered at both Exeter and Poole, Paul Bentley has gone on to have a good career in speedway. |
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| 1/5/2002 19:36 GMT |
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| Well Jason how atre you keeping? to be honest I dont watch that much speedway I occassionaly go to Eastbourne were I have friends and Poole to watch Havvy Rye house will be a bit more regular now they have moved up a league I will go to Wimbledon sometime this season been to Oxford so as you see its a varying choice.As for last Saturday well if you think we were lucky then good luck to you but as a couple of Boro fans said to me last Saturday class and skill versus endervour you can work out who the skill and class were.Well seeing as you asked here goes it's not that much of a secret but yes it was me Puse hit not much though.I was sat in the chippy with 2 Newcastle fans when Roland Tebbs walked in he then jokingly called Pusey I tried to walk away but he would not have it and he grabbed hold of my jacket I asked him to let go two or three times he would not let go so I pushed him as I got up he head butted me but I moved my head and he just caught me but didn't hurt me I smiled at him and walked away.We had been warned in the bar at Berwick by Brian Havelock he was after blood but all the fans agreed that if Pusey had a go then the person involved would not react.The thing that is not so well known is that Tim Swales summoned me to the office the following Thursday to ask me what happened I said nothing but other witness had put Swales straight so to speak.Tim told me he wasgoing to sack Pusey as he cvould not attack fans.But I asked him not to and to let the season finish as I wanted to win the league but Swalesy told me he would not bring him back the following season.He also told me he would never ride for the Bears again but he did.I can without any qualms say I did not abuse Pusey that night that I tried to defuse the situation by walking away but Geoff would not have it.Rob McCaffrey tried to interview me on screensport later in the season at Eastbourne.He also tried to interview me for speedway mail.But I prefered to keep it low profile.So there you go the truth is finally out and I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of I did nothing wrong I could not abuse Pusey that night as I was to p****d O** to find the words to do so but just one thing jase his away average was not 6 see you soon will be at Newcastle for Jesper Olsens testimonial... |
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| 1/5/2002 16:31 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| Hi Stav Bring's back memories that does,you talking about the Puse.I was also at that Match at Berwick in 1985 where we drew 39-39.That 5-1 from Dicko and Fiora in that last race decider will go down as one of my all time last heat deciders ever seen away from home.Just to add a bit more to that Pusey outburst.It was MY DAD who was the one who shouted "Pusey you are f*****g s***e"!He then came back to the Boro fans on the back straight and took off his helmet and TRIED to climbed over the fence but was held back!I must say Stav,that over the last 17 years word has always been that it was you who Pusey hit in that Chippy!Who was it really?Your right the Puse did have a good home record and always around a 5 or 6 away average.It was that 1985 season when he rode(not raced!)like a junior,especially away from home.It must have been because he knew he would'nt have a team place the following season in 1986.Which is what happened when we brought in Mark Courtney for Fiora and had to bring in Hayes and Hornby at reserve because of Havvy's average of 7 and that meant no room for the puse even at reserve.Also it was a must we kept Jim Burdfield.He was a great guy and was one of the best second string riders around in the 80's.Keeping Burdy instead of the puse was a good move,since Burdy's 2nd place won us the Fours that year.Where are you watching your speedway now?Last time i saw you we were following each other back to middlesbrough after the fours at Peterborough a few years back.By the way,you were very lucky beating the Boro 2-0 last saturday!Are you glad to see racing back at Wimbledon's the latest news on the Hackney front?I take it that the stadium is still there?Keep in touch and let's have some more memories passing through this guest book.By we had some good times in the 80's and 90's.It's a pity it's now all memories and Speedway not being as good anymore |
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| 30/4/2002 20:11 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Well actually I said his performance at Berwick was not good enough, and that his attitude and committment away from home was questionable. As someone who didnt miss a home or away match for 6 years including challenges I don't make the comment lightly. Having a testimonial does not neccesarily make you good and if you read what i wrote I said then I he could be outstanding at home but I repeat first to last three times and a second in a two rider finish from four rides definatly not good enough and that occured too often with Geoff attacking fans verbally and physically is not good enough.How many riders some very ordinary get testimonials and have hardly ridden for the track they got their testimonial at they got it for being contracted to the track. But heres a thought Diddy Dennis wise had a testimonial at Chelsea was he good enough I certainly don't think he was and I support them and had we of won that night at Berwick which we would of had Geoffry held a couple of those spots then the last match at Glasgow would not of mattered and we would of been champions. |
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| 30/4/2002 12:46 GMT |
diddy |
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| Just read Stavvy's comments on Geoff Pusey and one question springs to mind if he was not good enough how did he manage a Testimonial? |
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| 27/4/2002 12:14 GMT |
Craif Brudenell (stepson) |
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| Just to let everyone know Steve has had a virus attach itself to his computer and he will be out of action for some time. Please do not open any e-mails from him until you read on here it is ok to do so. |
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| 26/4/2002 18:14 GMT |
Alan Chapman |
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| Isn't it funny that when you look at various speedway websites that they bring back obscure memories of those happy "everyday-the-sun-shone" days. This site is just like that. I remember when I was a boy we used to go to Doncaster ("Up The Dragons!"), and I was a keen autograph collector. One meeting this young second-half rider came out of the changing rooms, signed my autograph book and saw my puzzled expression and asked "Can't you read it? My name is Malcolm McPhie". Now thirty-two years later I've just read that he's retired. Small World. And yes I've still got that autograph, and can remember boasting after he won the Stars of Tomorrow (or whatever it was called) I got his autograph BEFORE he was famous ! |
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| 26/4/2002 12:09 GMT |
Stavvy |
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| Well thats an interesting point Alan Chapman made regarding Geoff Pusey I didnt attend the Geoff Pusey testimonial so know nothing of Geoffs outburst of course Geoff was always prone to outbursts like the one at Berwick one night when on three occassions he trapped only to go from first to last being overtaken by inexperienced Berwick reserves.This was of course to much for the large Boro contingent on the back straightof course the fact that this was not good enough was beyond Geoffs comprehension and launched into a verbal attack on Boro fans whilst still sitting on his bike on track he later followed this with another outburst the same evening in a chip shop in Belford when he carried out a physical attack on a fan this fan had not abused Geoffs performance that evening deciding enough people were upset with Mr Pusey without him joining in so the attack was unwarrented.Yes Geoff could be outstanding at home but away his committment was doubtfull perhaps the fact Geoff could never comprehend he should of been capable of better away and should not attack a fan who after all indirectly pauid him along with others was why Geoff could not accept why he was not in the team but it's nice to know others saw the same Geoff the hardcore away support saw never mind thats history as they say but Geoff never was Steve Wilcock or Martin Dixon or Bruce Forrester, Tom Leadbitter to name a few . |
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| 26/4/2002 08:51 GMT |
Alan Chapman |
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| Just enjoyed my first ever visit to your site. I never visited Cleveland Park much - being a Sheffield Tigers supporter we also race on Thursday nights. However since we joined BL2 in 1991 it was always one away match that we HAD to go to. I loved the place. I remember coming up for the Geoff Pusey testimonial cos the Morans should have been riding but there was some dispute over money and so one decided not to ride, whilst the other did. I remember Geoff having a go, over the PA, about the then Boro team manager about not being included in the team. The fact he wasn't good enough never crossed his mind. |
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| 24/4/2002 08:17 GMT |
Geo.R.Richardson |
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| Until we find out more, at May 7th meeting of Greyhound/Speedway, I feel we should hold back. Maybe the MBC. are, miss guided, rather than miss intentioned.Miss guided by a certain person at the TVDC. We on the Speedway side of these meetings have never been allowed a voice, with MBC or indeed any of the authorities. But over the last 3yrs or so it has been Ken Alderson of greyhound's project, that has got the Stadium this far. Cheers Geo. |
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| 23/4/2002 18:28 GMT |
Tony Richardson |
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| The council don't want dirty SPEEDWAY back but they were ALL TO WILLING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT WHEN WE WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP. As for it been bad for asthma sufferers I rode speedway and have asthma, my brother was my helper in the pits and he has asthma. Speedway bikes use methernol not petrol and I think they were once thinking of using methernol in cars as a alternative to petrol. If the council does not want speedway back let them just have a greyhound track and see how long it will last. Lets go to another council in the area to see if they want speedway. |
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| 23/4/2002 17:57 GMT |
The Green Party |
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| As far as I am aware Middlesbrough Borough Council have told people representing greyhound racing that they are quite happy to accommodate a new greyhound stadium but they don't want speedway. The person responsible for putting an investment package together knows nothing about speedway and is a greyhound man. However, he has been told by influential members of MBC that they don't want speedway back because the sport is : 'too noisy, smelly and environmentally unfriendly.' This is a town that has huge areas of chemical industry that constantly pours S**** into the air. The sulphur levels in Middlesbrough are a constant source of amusement (not if you suffer from asthma), particularly in light of all the traffic pollution that exists. Land had been earmarked on the site of an old steelworks at Riverside Industrial Park but this has now become part of the 'Tees Valley Package' in which the council benefit financially from leasing land to would-be investors. The original provisional agreement was that speedway and greyhound racing could co-exist together, well away from populated areas of the town. It seems the council keep moving the goalposts to put any potential investor off by employing stalling tactics and making sure that anyone interested has to overcome swathes of bureauocracy just to begin even considering an application to stage the two sports. |
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| 21/4/2002 22:45 GMT |
Craig Brudenell |
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| hey yeti, im at jos house an thought id show her your website C ya later |
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| 21/4/2002 19:53 GMT |
Guy Bailey |
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| What;s the story based on Leonard Rossiter's post about the Council knocking back Speedway. I know they are a bunch of bums but that takes the cake. |
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| 18/4/2002 07:16 GMT |
Sandy Spink |
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| Message for Jason Pipe Jason, thanks for posting the sad news about Paul Kirkwood. Could you please pass on both mine, Mike's and Sam Tesar's condolences to his family. Paul had helped Sam in the last 2-3 years which was very much appreciated. |
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| 15/4/2002 19:24 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| It's funny you should mention that, Jim. Neil Street reckoned Cleveland Park was the best track to learn speedway on, especially throttle control. Swindon's Paul Fry once listed his favourite tracks in a Speedway Star profile as Exeter and Middlesbrough!! |
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| 15/4/2002 14:02 GMT |
jim mccormick |
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| Although I am a Glasgow supporter I still maintain your track is the best away track of all time and believe me I have been to a few.Pity about the demise of speedway down there but fingers croosed I might live to see another track as good as Cleveland park |
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| 15/4/2002 09:45 GMT |
Paul Boothby |
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| CHESH, if you do log on again, it was great to hear from you. Many happy memories from your racing days here, and we've still got the Sooty's to prove it. Yes it was me and the family that were responsible for giving you the Sooty glove puppet that time, hope you remember it, and we were so pleased that you used to have the gall to wear him occasionally on your lap of honour. We all used to have them (in little Bears racejackets....good grief ) and they visited several tracks over the years. They all went to Bradford for the World Final and I remember at the end of the meeting the rest of the family had to visit the toilets and I was left outside holding 6 Sooty's in immaculate little racejackets (took me bloody hours to make) and two people came up and tried to buy one, thinking I was selling them, I mean for what other reason could a grown man be standing at the Speedway World Final with 6 Sooty glove puppets. Ah.....those were the days........I'm getting all sentimental now, anyway best wishes Chesh mate.......Paul |
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| 13/4/2002 13:23 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| PAUL KIRKWOOD This week i was deeply saddened to hear that Paul Kirkwood is no longer with us.Paul was a great guy who did so much for Middlesbrough Speedway and for Paul Bentley.Even though he was a Geordie,it was Middlesbrough Speedway that was closest to his heart.Apart from Malcolm Wright,he was the main person who kept speedway alive on Teesside due to him bringing in lots of sponsors on a Thursday evening.This was a guy who even though lived in the newcastle area,would come down to Middlesbrough+Hartlepool and sometimes pick up myself and other Boro fans and take us up to Edinburgh for an away match and then drop us off back here before going back up to Newcastle!!That was the sort of bloke he was.I enjoyed our many chats together on a Thursday evening on the Centre Green and the away trips i went to with him.He was one of the nicest blokes i'd ever had the pleasure in meeting in the Speedway world.He will be sadly missed.Thanks Paul on everything you did for Middlesbrough Speedway.You will always be in my Thoughts.If speedway was to ever return to Middlesbrough,I will make sure there is a Paul Kirkwood Memorial throphy raced for each year.My Sincere condolences to His Family,Friends and Paul Bentley. |
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| 12/4/2002 21:35 GMT |
Jason Pipe |
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| just to let Cliff know that the Newcastle website is now Newcastle-speedway.com It is a Moto Cross site on the Urlay nook road towards Teesside Airport.I recently spoke to Tony Coupland and he was telling me he was involved with it all.Great to see so many ex Middlesbrough Riders starting to write in.Big hello to you CHESH if you happen to log in again and see this entry.Glad to see you have some involvment still with Speedway.It was a shame you didn't get back over to race with Hull last year.I was talking to Malcolm Wright last year about you and said to him, he'd lost out on such a good rider.Aswell as your good racing i will always remember our short time together working for Ken Knott at his Factory.That is also a real shame aswell,that no one other than Kenny McKinna from the Speedway World has contacted Ken Knott.For Anyone who is Interested,Ken is doing very well but hasn't being able to bring himself to go to Speedway since Middlesbrough shut,but does follow it on Sky.I still see Ken and Malcolm Wright from time to time but neither are interested in Ressurecting the Bears/Tigers again. Must I also say that those of you who won't go to watch Speedway at Newcastle or anywhere else,must not be supporters of the sport Speedway.You were only supporters of a Middlesbrough sporting team.Stop moaning about not being able to see Speedway because we have shut down.Get out there and Support the sport of SPEEDWAY.Speedway has being in my blood for 27 years now and there is no way i can do without it.I just make sure i pick my meetings to go to very carefully.Watching neutral matches is less stressful and enjoyable,as you don't really mind who wins aslong as you get to see some good racing.Going to Newcastle,you just cheer for the opposition!The racing at Newcastle has improved alot and last Wednesday the track was in the Best condition i had ever seen it for a very very long time. Does anyone out there know an address or email for MARK FIORA?If so,could you please let me know or if anyone talks to Paul Thorp let him know i am looking for it,as he is Mark's brother in law,and i won't be getting to Hull myself till later in the Season.Has anyone checked out the Racing at Glasgow's new track yet?It is a must!The racing is SUPERB.It's also a great atmosphere at Workington with big crowds now.I must get a trip in to Poole again sometime as their crowds are unbelievable at 5000 odd, and the racing is good to! |
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| 12/4/2002 14:06 GMT |
Chesh |
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| Hi everyone,just checking out Steve Johnston's site and found this link.I cant believe 10 years have since I was over.Hope you are all well its sad that the old place doesnt have speedway anymore.Is there any chance that there will ever be speedway in Middlesboro again?My time there was the best speedway memories I have.I was sorry to leave.I have only done a handful of meetings since those days but stay active helping new riders.I have a 7 year old son who has just started schoolboy motocross,he wants to ride junior speedway too.I still have lots of videos and you can hear all you guys singing and chanting even over the racing!! Definetley the best supporters I ever met.I wish you all well :) |
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| 12/4/2002 11:59 GMT |
Geo. R. Richardson |
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| My thoughts re.Leonard Rossiter's News April 7th.1 On what do the Council base there belief,that speedway is an unsuitable sport for the new Stadium.1 Have they any first hand knowledge for there findings,or are they only going off,what others have said. 2 If they went to a speedway meeting,they would find a great number of family units in attendance,ie. parents and indeed grandparents with there youngsters, and are not the government advocating, closer family ties.Speedway has always been a family sport,a place to take the kids knowing there will never be any trouble.3 If they were to contact the Cleveland Police, they could verify that there has seldom if ever, been a need for a police presence at Middlesbrough Speedway, during its long history,or at any venue in the country.4 If there belief's are, that it is, dirty, noisy and smelly, they are misinformed,Yes there is,some dust,during dry weather, but this is kept to a minimum.Yes there is,some noise,but this has been kept to a stringently low level,by legislation.Yes there is,some smell,but is far from unpleasant.5 Maybe if they would contact Newcastle or indeed any,Council, Hull,Berwick or Sheffield and there respective Police Forces, and findout, if they have ever had a problem with Speedway.6 If they still believe they should not include Speedway,they must consider,the problems other sport/pastimes create and our sport is just as importent to us, and is much less of a problem.7 On top of all the pleasure it gives, there are quite a number of jobs involved, plus the high profile created by Sky T.Vs. screening os Speedway,would help to raise public awareness of TEESSIDE. [ sorry its a bit long winded ] Cheers Geo. |
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| 11/4/2002 21:08 GMT |
mark harrison |
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| cant believe what i have found! i thought that everyone else had forgotten about cleveland park. |
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| 10/4/2002 20:11 GMT |
Steve Regeling's e-mail address |
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| frogline59@hotmail.com |
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| 10/4/2002 15:06 GMT |
MIDDLESBROUGH SPEEDWAY SUPPORTERS |
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| STEVE.(Regeling)Leave your email address and you could get quite a few emails |
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| 10/4/2002 08:02 GMT |
Paul Boothby |
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| G'day Steve, great to hear from you. Hope you are well. The news page here said you'd recently broke your wrist, so hope typing your entry below wasn't too painful ! Please send our best to Tracey and the boys from Paul and Susan (Tracey used to stand with us on Thursday nights at Cleveland Park) |
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| 9/4/2002 11:27 GMT |
Steve Regeling |
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| Have just found out the address of this site. If anyone wants to say hi to an old team member, send me an email. |
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| 8/4/2002 20:54 GMT |
Brian Turner |
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| Great site for the old boro bears, wasnt one of my favourite tracks but i did see some of the best racing at cleveland park. Well i ask 1 question will the boro ever have a new stadium? They can spend millions on what they call the football stadium but a few thousand wouldnt go amis for a new stadium now would it. Sorry to see it go i miss my thursday night out to cleveland park. |
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| 5/4/2002 18:47 GMT |
Andy Taylor |
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| Good luck in your search for a new home. However please wish us luck in re-locating back in Boston. |
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| 5/4/2002 09:20 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Cliff. If you scroll down on the Middlesbrough homepage the Newcastle web site is in the list.It works.I have just tried it. |
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| 5/4/2002 08:37 GMT |
Cliff |
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| Can anyone tell me the address of Newcastle's website? I've been trying www.newcastle-speedway.co.uk, but this doesn't work. Any clues anyone? |
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| 4/4/2002 19:44 GMT |
steve parker |
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| love the site what are g puset & s wilcock up to these days |
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| 4/4/2002 19:44 GMT |
steve parker |
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| love the site what are g puset & s wilcock up to these days |
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| 3/4/2002 20:34 GMT |
Andrew Gough |
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| My mum and dad would love this website. My dad worked in the pits late sixties and was regular visitor in seventies. When I was two or three I had a ride round Cleveland Park on Bruce Forresters bike on Bruces knee who was my favourite rider |
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| 30/3/2002 16:32 GMT |
Graham Porter |
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| The history book sounds good then again anything with the Bears is ok by me. One idea i thought would have been tried is to get hold of Eddie Myers (Eddivision) and make a few highlights videos of every single meeting that was ever filmed ive tried this myself with what matches I have required but the quality isnt the best when Youve recopied about three times. Im sure with professional package put together we could sell quite a few through the speedway star. By the way has anyone apart from Eddie actually got a full set of vids from when he started in 88 as that is one ambition I havent achieved yet. |
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| 29/3/2002 18:40 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| So glad you found us at last, Graham. The messageboard's demise we had no control over as 'Inside The Web' made a decision to discontinue. I know it is still listed on some speedway links but that is beyond our control. However, that led us to discovering this sports website. A Rye House fan wrote a letter into the Speedway Star about its existence and in January 2001 we arrived 'online'. There are limitations with the format but something is better than nothing, as I am sure you will agree. |
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| 29/3/2002 16:24 GMT |
Graham Porter |
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| Nice to see we still have some form of identity im getting a bit sick of surfing Newcastles site where have you been hiding last time I looked it was just a deleted messege board. We will be back one day okay it may take 15 yrs but well get there and may the force be with us. |
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| 25/3/2002 17:08 GMT |
Brian White/Weyport Warriors |
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| Nice website, are you looking for a new home? I visited Middlesbrough back in 1987 when I was riding for the Poole Junior Team. It was a lovely summers day, at around 6.30 the heavens opened and washed the meeting out! Maybe I will come back one day with a Warriors team! Best of Luck. |
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| 24/3/2002 19:36 GMT |
Martyn Boyd |
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| Great to find this web site. Brought back a lot of fond memories. My very first meeting was the Silver Helmet Competition at the end of the 1974 season which Dave Durham won. I went to most matches over the next few seasons, then on and off until the end in 1996. I can remember Pete Reading breaking the track record, and also getting Ole Olsen's autograph when he made a guest ride (and promptly broke the track record himself!). I also have a lasting memory of the rather bizarre incident when Roger Wright (I think that was his name - Aussie?) managed to wheelie his bike over the fence as he was crossing the finishing line in first place once! I can remember the first of the Tigers/Diamonds matches, and the Owen brothers, who just seemed too good! Favourite rider - has to be Doug Underwood. I remember when he came at the start of the 1975 season from Australia - he was crap for the first few meetings, then just seemed to kick into form, and never seemed to lose! I also remember he had a nasty crash mid way through that season and I sent him a "get well soon" card (I was 11 at the time!) and he sent me a really nice thank you letter. Memories, memories! Keep up the good work, and I really hope that we all see Speedway back on Teesside again soon, so I can take my daughters and show them what an amazing sport it is... |
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| 22/3/2002 09:17 GMT |
Colin Pearson |
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| Superb, first saw speedway at Crayford (the highwaymen) 1968 - top marks |
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| 19/3/2002 15:41 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| Thanks Stavvy and Jitendra. Good suggestion, Stavvy. I agree and think it is something that people would be interested in. However, it would be of help if people could help us. I work full time and have a family to support, so my time is precious. I'm willing to interview certain former riders but I would like some help in 'time management'. |
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| 19/3/2002 15:16 GMT |
Stavvy |
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| Most certainly would be interested perhaps you could do as some others do and get advanced subscribers of which i would be willing to do great idea as for pictures of the stand what about the gazette or speedway press. Great idea lets hope it comes off best wishes to everyone from the old days.How about a what are they doing now section on the website Harlo. |
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| 19/3/2002 13:56 GMT |
Jitendra Duffill |
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| Think the Boro History book thing is a good idea |
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| 16/3/2002 19:40 GMT |
tony richardson |
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| Had a look along the Urlay Nook Road, could see a track but it looked like it was for motocross not speedway. |
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| 13/3/2002 09:19 GMT |
Tony Richardson |
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| Hi. About the training at Urlay Nook, I heard that some sort of track for motorbikes (I thought moto cross or trials) is running on a Sunday near to British Chrome & Chemicals. I have not had a look down to see. |
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| 13/3/2002 07:39 GMT |
Geo. R. Richardson |
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| Hi. Everyone, In the profile on Richard Hall, on the Newcastle Web Site, it says that his father used to passenger in a sidecar team. Would this be with Mike Dawkins on the Grasstracks, I seem to remember his passenger was called Hall. Good luck to Richard and Newcastle for the forthcoming season. Cheers Geo. |
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| 12/3/2002 19:36 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| We are looking for someone to help us design a logo for our website incorporating 'Cleveland Park' and bearing in mind (no pun intended) the history of the club. Please e-mail or telephone us if you can come up with something useful. You can then have your handiwork displayed on our website free of charge! |
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| 12/3/2002 15:38 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| Of course that is correct. They can use two Grand Prix riders but one has to be a top liner and the other a medium ranking rider. So how will that work out at King's Lynn? Pedersen is surely their high ranking Grand Prix rider? I would love to see Greg Hancock be offered a place because he is a class act. |
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| 12/3/2002 15:09 GMT |
Geo. R. Richardson |
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| Hi Steve, I think you will find that teams are now allowed one of the top two ie. Crump or Pederson and one other, and that Kings Lynn were going to use Klingberg, but he is refusing to ride for them this year, and I reckon that should he later want to ride for anyone else he should not be allowed to. Cheers Geo. |
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| 6/3/2002 17:44 GMT |
Steve Cotton |
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| As soon as i knew of the existence of the site it did't take me long to figure out the architect behind it all! Yes Steve Harland had a passion for defunct tracks over ten years whilst speedway in Middlesbrough was still on the go!! However i would like to thank all concerned for the brilliant site and for reviving all the fantastic memories i have of following speedway especially supporting Middlesbrough. Best memories for me were the 1986 and 1990 seaons with some memorable away victories,Jakey's Tours and winning at Newcastle in 1989, but above all the racing at Cleveland Park was second to none. |
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| 31/1/2002 20:49 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| Just a message to let everyone know that Colin and myself are currently archiving photographs featuring Middlesbrough speedway riders throughout the years so that we have an extensive collection at our disposal. If your favourite rider isn't featured or you would like to see your photos displayed on the website then please contact us at the e-mail address on the homepage. |
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| 26/1/2002 11:04 GMT |
Colin Greenwell. |
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| Lee. Here are a few details from Who's Who in Speedway (1949). Curtis,Frederick George (Kid).Born London 1920.Began riding at Rye House when 15 years of age.Was spotted by Johnie Hoskins who was promoter at West ham.He appeared for West Ham Hawks in 1937 and joined Newcastle the following year to become the youngest rider in competitive racing.Joined Middlesbrough after the war and moved on to West Ham in 1948. |
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| 26/1/2002 00:31 GMT |
lee merison |
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| my uncles father was Fred "kid" Curtis. As far as i can make out, he started his racing at Newcastle at the age of 16 and HENCE KID stuck and stayed with him throughout his speedway career. If any one is interested contact LEE on 01255 428293 to have a chat! |
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| 17/1/2002 18:23 GMT |
Andy Brighty |
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| Yeah I like Teesside Tigers too. That was my favourite. And Middlesbrough now is in the county borough of Teesside... |
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| 17/1/2002 09:42 GMT |
Tony Richardson |
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| Hi All As seen on Ceefax last night 2 former Middelsbrough Riders have signed up to ride this year. Mark Lemon will be riding for Oxford & Martin Dixon will be riding for Glasgow. Good luck to both of them if it is true. |
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| 17/1/2002 08:59 GMT |
Tony Richardson |
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| Let's just hope we have a speedway team to name soon, then they could ask everybody who would like speedway back to vote either on this web site or via the local paper on a name. As a supporter from the late 60's (when my Dad took me as a Baby) my first memories of the name is Teesside Teessiders but for me the name Teesside Tigers is the name. |
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| 16/1/2002 20:19 GMT |
Sandra Brudenell |
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| If the prospective new venue was in Middlesbrough then Bears would be more appropriate. If it was in Teesside (not neccessarily in Middlesbrough) then Tigers would suffice. Elsewhere a new name and identity would have to be formed....as in Durham Dynamos or whatever. If it was in the Redcar & Cleveland boundary then Middlesbrough wouldn't suit...maybe Cleveland Bays could be resurrected! A friend says they should be called Middlesbrough Ironmasters! Or how about Tees Valley Tigers!!!! |
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| 16/1/2002 20:02 GMT |
Andy Brighty |
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| Yeah have to agree with GB, changing back to the Bears monicker was a backward step in my opinion. Notwithstanding all the Tigers souvenirs that were then outdated. But heres a question for you all. If (and it's a big if) we were resurrected in some shape or form, should we carry on with the Bears name or should we go for a new name? (new venue, new start, new team). I think we should have a new nickname and the one I think we should have is Lions. Reasons for which are that there aren't any others with that name, (might be wrong?) and the actual Middlesbrough crest is a blue lion surmounted by two ships and a star. What do YOU think???? |
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| 16/1/2002 17:55 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| GB.Its a pity you don't like the name Middlesbrough Bears.I hated Teessiders.Tigers was okay but I go along with tradition and it seems we were Bears right from the beginning.On the subject of the stadium,no news, unless Steve has learned something recently.You will just have to grin and Bear it. (sorry!) |
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| 16/1/2002 17:24 GMT |
GB |
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| Are we really in line for a new stadium in Teesside, I am so desperate to go to speedway again, but I just cannot drag myself to Newcastle and Sheffield to watch teams I have no feeling for. How realistic is it that the 'Tigers' (sorry could not stand Bears) will be back within the next 12 months. GREAT SITE by the way |
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| 16/1/2002 00:00 GMT |
STAVVY |
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| Hello all just thought some people would be interested to know that I saw Dave Walsh last Saturday at Bolton not saying why he was there but those people who know me can work it out,anyway he was walking under his own steam and looking well and fighting fit it was only a short conversation as one of us was in a hurry to answer the call but just thought i would let everyone know one of our former riders has recovered from last years crash. |
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| 15/1/2002 12:41 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| I am going to the Provincial league days to pick a few names out.Eric Boothroyd was a very very good rider.Just look up his averages.He rode in a World Final in the mid 50's.Eric and Brian McKeown were two of our top riders.What about Eric Boocock and Dave Younghusband.They didn't do too badly! |
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| 15/1/2002 11:22 GMT |
Geo. R. Richardson |
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| Yes as our Tony Says, I do include those riders.And yes they would have achieved a lot more, but for injuries, family consideration and the like.Mark Courtney for my part had the most natural talent, the way he used to pour the power on from half way down the back straight, was awsome to see, and as you say for Graham Plant[surely he had Wilf]such is the case for Mark, with no one.No criticism of anyone is intended, and was only ment to awaken debate.Many riders could be included how about Terry Lee a very accomplished rider and, only, includes riders from 1968. Cheers Geo. |
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| 15/1/2002 09:07 GMT |
Tony Richardson |
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| Hi Harry If you read the artical from Geo R Richardson properly you would see that he mentioned the riders Graham Plant, Allan & Gary Havelock in his team. This is just his fav riders, if you wanted you could also include riders such as Dave Durham, Pete Reading, Martin Dixon and many more but these are the ones that stand out in his memory. |
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| 14/1/2002 20:55 GMT |
Harry Atkinson |
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| re the discussion of who was the most outstanding Middlesbrough rider(s), I would respectfully suggest that Graham Plant had the most outstanding natural talent, I can recall one incident at Berwick when two Berwick riders were side by side down the back straight, and Graham flashed between them as they shut off for the pits bend, flicked the bike sideways to slow down, and then flicked it straight again, to take the bend, and went on to win, way out on his own. In fact I am sure that Graham was not aware of how much talent he had, and if someone had taken him in hand, and mentally, physically, and machine preparation wise, kept him at the optimum, he would have achieved far more than he did. Also let's not forget Allan Brown, who at Rayleigh one night, did 3 races on the trot, due I am afraid to me not thinking far enough ahead with tacticals, won 2 and a close second in the third, on a track that was very unkind to visitors, and this on his first meeting there. One other contender of course, should be Gary Havelock, as he was the only one to become World Champion and learned his trade at Cleveland Park |
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| 14/1/2002 18:22 GMT |
Harry Maclean |
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| I've just remembered the accident was in May 1976 not 1977 as I was riding against Middlesborough at the time. |
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| 14/1/2002 17:50 GMT |
Ian M Martin |
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| Ref. Geo.R.Richardson. I am a Sunderland Stars Speedway Supporter. How about this fantasy team to race against yours: Jim Airey, Gordon Guasco, Russ Dent, Jack Millen, Graeme Smith, Brian Havelock, Jim Wells. I agree with you...Bruce & Steve - Top Men. Best wishes to all Middlesbrough/Tees-side Supporters. Ian P.S. Where is Frank Auffret in your Team? |
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| 13/1/2002 19:19 GMT |
Geo R. Richardson |
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| Hi. everyone. It's realy good to hear from & of, riders from Middlesboro Speedway's, happy times,but it is with regret re Slant Payling, a very exiting & entertaining rider, who maybe didn't attain many individual honours, but will be fondly remembered, by speedway fans throughout the Speedway world.Come on all you riders from The Bears/Tigers past, let us hear how you are and what you are doing,help us through this time of famine. Cheers Geo. |
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| 13/1/2002 14:30 GMT |
Harry Maclean |
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| Steve, Your memory is correct the accident took place coming out of the fourth bend at Cleveland in May 1977. My version is that coming out of the corner Alan Emerson leaned on me and our handlebars became entangled, although he may have a different opinion... We never discussed it although we met up and raced against each other on numerous occasions afterwards. Incidentally when I hit the lampost I landed in heap next to the safety fence. The impact was so great that I thought that my arm had been ripped out of the socket, and I started to look out around the track for it and was surprised to find it was still attached, and thought I wonder if I can move my fingers and was delighted when I could. My leathers which were only a few weeks old had eventually to be cut open at the left arm to enable me to get them off. I later returned them to the manufacturers and they sewed a new arm on. I still have a five inch plate on my arm held together with thirteen screws. |
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| 7/1/2002 09:51 GMT |
Dave Payling. Re: Slant Payling |
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| With sadness I have to announce that Maurice (Slant) Payling passed away on the evening of Friday Jan 4th 2001 in Rotherham General Hospital after a recent deterioration in his health. His racing years at Middlesbrough and other clubs were among the most exciting and fulfilling parts of his life and which he still held fond memories of. I leave this message so his memory can live on and to encourage continued enthusiasm in Speedway from its many supporters. |
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| 3/1/2002 11:06 GMT |
Geo. R. Richardson |
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| Hi. everyone, Happy New Year.will this, be the year we hear some good news, fingers crossed.Fantasy Team Boro bears. Tom Leadbitter,Graham Plant, Allan Brown, Bruce Forrester, Steve Wilcock,Mark Courtney, Gary Havelock. My favourite rider and I can not and will not put one before the other,Bruce Forrester/ Steve Wilcock. Cheers Geo. |
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| 1/1/2002 00:12 GMT |
Cliff |
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| Steve, funny you should mention this as I'd just mentioned it myself on the Rudds Arms site just before coming on here. My recall is that it was on the back straight. I used to sit on the concrete wall on the dog track in the middle of the back straight at that time, I recall I looked down at my programme to check who was riding as the bikes came round the pit bend, and suddenly there was complete silence... I looked up as the crowd gasped (!) and there was a pile of bikes on the track, all four riders down together. I think Malc Corradine was one of the riders, it would have been around 76/77. |
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| 31/12/2001 15:28 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| The incident that Harry recalls did it take place at Cleveland Park? I recall a horrendous crash on the fourth bend involving at least three riders possibly four but my memory is not so good these days. It must have been around 1977 because I would have been 15/16 years old around that time and speedway was my main interest. The two leading riders got tangled up exiting the fourth bend and the rider in third could not avoid hitting a stray machine. It was carnage and one of the worst crashes I have ever seen at a speedway match. |
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| 27/12/2001 14:13 GMT |
Harry Maclean |
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| I rode for Middlesbrough in 1975 on loan from Stoke and again in 1977 when Ron Wilson bought me from Oxford. I left to join his new club Milton Keynes in 1978. I really enjoyed racing at your track becauset was a great racing track and I was poor at gating and scored most of my points from the back. I had a really bad crash in May 1977 riding for Oxford, when I tangled with Alan Emerson and hit a lamp standard and broke my shoulder arm wrist and thumb. I took up golf after I gave up speedway and got into a single figure handicap and am the current holder of the Speeday Ryder Cup which is held annually prior to the Veteran Riders Dinner Damce held in March. Thanks for the site which brings back many happy memories and good luck in acquiring a new track. |
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| 24/12/2001 11:19 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| Thanks to everyone who has left a message in the guestbook this year. It has been appreciated and it has been good to see some familiar names cropping up. Colin is a lot happier now too because at least there is something on Middlesbrough Speedway in the public domain for people to visit. It has been his own enthusiasm to have something online or in printed form for some time. Now we have the website - hopefully one day we can have a publication too. |
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| 18/12/2001 19:24 GMT |
Bruce Forrester |
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| Hi Harry, Duncan's just shown me the whole of the Middlesbrough web site. Excellent stuff.... Nice too see than people enjoyed the speedway at Clevland Stadium as much as i did. If you ever want a room to stay in when your in Leicester, visit us in Frisby and you be assured of a warm bedroom...(laughs). Any one wanting a chat can contact me on:- Bruce Forrester 9 Hall Orchard Lane Frisby - on - the - Wreake Melton Mowbray Leicestershire LE14 2NH Tel - 01664 434355 or e-mail jforresterforxbh@supernet.com See you on January the 12th at Halifax Harry. Bye Bruce. |
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| 15/12/2001 01:09 GMT |
Bob Bath |
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| Greetings from Toronto-excellent site.I am a supporter from the Prov League era.I think the team pictured in your first photo which you show as opposition unknown is Glasgow Tigeers. |
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| 13/12/2001 20:19 GMT |
Steve |
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| Hi Andy, Good to hear from you. Yeah, you've made your views very clear on the subject of whether speedway will ever return to Middlesbrough. I think people said the same about Newport, Rye House and Workington not so long back, so never say never. George Reynolds has been approached in the past. One of the directors of Darlington FC is also a massive speedway fan (Mark Meynell, a businessman from Oswestry, Shropshire who originally comes from Richmond, North Yorkshire). Mark used to watch speedway at Middlesbrough, Newcastle and Sunderland when he lived up here. He did approach George and was told that Reynolds knew nothing about speedway whatsoever. Some would say he knows nothing about football either - but that's another story! |
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| 13/12/2001 06:51 GMT |
Andy Brighty |
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| Hiya Steve, good to see you're stiil pounding away with this. It's a shame that we don't have enough friends and too many enemies to make it work again. You know my views on it...nuff said but maybe there's a Johnny Hoskins with his spade and wheelbarrow out there somewhere. Here's hoping!!! PS How about approaching George Reynolds??!! |
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| 10/12/2001 20:13 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| To the Newport Wasps fan who wanted the name of the Boro fan. It was Nigel Mckeon as far as I am aware. |
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| 7/12/2001 23:21 GMT |
Harry Atkinson |
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| re Wilf Plant query from Chris D. Wilf was definitely riding at that time, and from what I understand riders used to appear at various tracks, if not in the match, in special races after the match as an additional attraction. I recall that Wilf left Middlesbrough for Fleetwood and when he left , whether the track closed or what, I don't know, but he went to Coventry, this is post-war of course, and he told me that if a rider was thought to be letting the side down, it was quite normal to receive things through the post like white feathers and crab legs, I had to ask the significance of crab legs, and was told it meant that you were crabbing the team. I refrained from asking Wilf if he got any. |
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| 6/12/2001 21:38 GMT |
Colin Greenwell |
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| Chris. Harry Atkinson is the man for anything on Wilf Plant.I have a booklet,Who's Who In Speedway 1949.This booklet states that Wilf began riding at the Leicester Super-track in 1936.So yes he was riding as early as then.A write up will soon be in the Pre War Riders as he rode for Middlesbrough in 1939. |
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| 6/12/2001 21:16 GMT |
Chris D |
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| Great website tribute to the Tigers/Bears. Loved all the historical stuff. Question I have a meeting at Coventry during 1936 that had Wilf Plant riding would it possibly the same as the Middlesboro rider. Was he riding as early as then. |
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| 1/12/2001 20:09 GMT |
Harry Atkinson |
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| Phil Bishop, seeing his name remined me of another Wilf Plant story, Phil rode at Odsal in the early days, and this incident could have been at the first ever meeting, but I can't be sure. The Odsal track was constructed outside the Rugby pitch, and had four right angle corners. I always thought it had these when I went, but back to Phil's story, at the first corner, of the first heat, all four riders wanted the same piece of track and crashed, the First Aid room was at the top of the banking, and after three riders had been carried up, Phil was next, by this time, the stretcher party were feeling the strain, and had to put Phil down several times to get their breath back. The Doctor checked Phil over and pronounced a broken leg, the ambulance took him to Hospital a plaster cast was applied and Phil was put to bed in quite a large ward. Phil was having difficulty sleeping and some of you may remember that years ago it was the custom in hospital for patients to put their false teeth in a tumbler of water. Phil climbed out of bed and hopped on one leg round the ward, while everyone was asleep, and swapped the tumblers around, and went back to bed. Breakfast time arrived and of course, nobody could eat it because their teeth didn't fit, being made aware of the commotion the Matron arrived and read the Riot Act, and demanded to know who the culprit was, but did remark that it couldn't have been Phil because of his broken leg. |
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| 1/12/2001 19:46 GMT |
Harry Atkinson |
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| re Jack Ormston, Jack rode for Wembley in his last year in speedway, strangely enough, he replaced Ron Mason who retired to become a Racehorse Trainer at Wetherby, and at one time had a horse in training called Track Spare. Jack also retired to train racehorses as well, and lived at Hutton Magna near Richmond. Yank Harrison had a garage at Tunstall near Catterick, and built a racing car called "FHN Special", the initials coming from Ford for the engine an 1172sv 10hp, supercharged. Harrison for the builder, and Nash for the chassis, which was from a 1925 G.N. |
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| 22/11/2001 01:17 GMT |
STAV GEORGIOU |
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| Hello peeps this is the cypriot in London it was nice to see Harlo ,chaz Wilson and the Tillet boy at Swindon for Dickos meeting still go occasionally to outhern tracks but we know all the best ones are in the north .Spinky do not know what went wrong with email nice to hear from u. Nice to see Chaz Harlo, Simmo, Debbie, Phil Smith ETC are still on the go and well hello to you all might make a reunion one day. Pity we cannot get the tigers(hate the bears name)up and running again, one would think with all the land near the riverside and the amount of money Steve Gibson has spent on that crap football team up there he could spend some on a decent speedway team now there you go Harlo after all he is supposed to be a working class Boro Lad. well all the best to you all and do not forget Harlo how about a reunion at our spiritual get together home the Golden Eagle ps Stevie Wilcock your still the man all the best get in touch with Graham Lloyd he has had a bad moment...... |
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| 21/11/2001 20:26 GMT |
Steve Harland |
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| Mark & Tracy its good to know you are still around. I bumped into John at Morrisons, Morton Park in Darlington, when I was coming back from work over the summer. It was good to see him again. John said you had been down to Peterborough. I think a reunion would go down well but let me know more precise details. I no longer go to the football at Feethams anymore. I'm in Billingham most days round the corner from MIKE SMITH and five minutes from MARTIN DIXON. I still have the flat in Bramley Parade. For awhile CHRIS READSHAW was living a few houses away in Bowesfield Lane. |
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| 17/11/2001 16:25 GMT |
tracy wilson |
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| good site it was nice to see all the names up there of all the supporters i still see a few along with mark . like msrk says these days we spen d a lot of time camping etc with our vw camper and beetles would be nuce to see every one again we had site sent over to us by a friend its good |
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| 17/11/2001 01:31 GMT |
mr middlesbrough |
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| now harlow hows things mate im sure you remember me and the the old man john wilson. youve done well mate ive just had this site passed on to me by a mate, didnt realise it existed. missed the speedway over the years so i threw myself at the footy got a season ticket an all nowadays. missed all our drunken away matches and those famous double t's, we should organise a re union some time mate, i see jolly and brighty quite regular and im sure they and many be up for it. i go to quite a few shows nowadays being into vw beetles and campers and was at 1 at peterborogh a few months ago and it fell on a race night but it wasnt quite the same without the tigers there. take care mate |
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| 15/11/2001 12:47 GMT |
Sandy Spink |
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| For the attention of Stavvy! Stavvy, if you happen to read this, thanks for the e-mail. Yes it was us! I have been trying to reply to it but the message keeps being returned to me USER UNKNOWN. Good to hear from you. Sandy & Mike Spink |
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| 3/10/2001 21:35 GMT |
John Furniss |
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| Yes, Paul Furniss is my Uncle,my dad's brother, he's still alive and lives in Thornaby. It's nice to know that people appreciate the hard work done by Nigel Furniss. For as long as I remember he basically ran the show, he wrote the programme for many years, ran the club shops paid the riders, and I even remember him building the rostrum and starting gate flagholders at Cleveland Park. Not many people realised that whenever the family had their summer break, my Dad would travel back each Thursday to run the Speedway from wherever we were stopping, even when we were in Great Yarmouth. |
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| 2/10/2001 23:01 GMT |
John Furniss |
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| Just found the site - well done!Reading the many interesting articles has brought the memories flooding back. Does anyone remember my dad, Nigel Furniss? H was the Track Manager (amongst other things) from 1968 until about 1985 when he left the area for a new job in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Sadly he passed away in 1993. One of the best memories was the 1981? championship win when my dad had the honour of keeping the trophy at our house for a few weeks. The family have now lived in Chesterfield for 17 years. I'm now a big footie fan - Chesterfield FC - anyone remember FA Cup Semi 1997 - we were robbed!! It would be great to hear from any one with any memories of my dad, my mum would certainly like to read them. |
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| 13/8/2001 20:09 GMT |
Harry Atkinson |
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| During Wilf Plants career he dabbled with other interests, he owned an aeroplane, and ex racehorse, and after his retirement did barefoot water skiing, but going back to his horse, he came riding up the village of Asfordby, where he lived with his parents, and reined in the horse just outside the house, someone remarked that if Mr Plant didn't watch Wilf he would be taking the horse in the house, Wilf in jest said "thats a good idea", and pointed the horse at the door, Wilf blamed someone for smacking the horse's behind, so the horse stepped forward, knocking Wilf off as it went through the door and into the front room. The problem then was that despite many attempts there was not enough room to turn the horse round to lead it out, and it began to get excited, as well as Wilf's Mum & Dad, and started kicking out, and leaping about. So the local builder was summoned to take out the front window, and reduce the height of the brickwork and eventually the horse was outside and the builder then put everything back together. I asked Wilf what his father thought about the episode, and Wilf replied that he had been going to "Bloody Kill Him". I can't guarantee the absolute accuracy of a lot of Wilf's stories, because it will be about 25 years since he regaled me and several others, usually at a supper stop after a meeting, and even my memory, bearing in mind we were aching with laughter, could have missed parts of the story. But some years after Eric Boothroyd recalled some of the details. Cheers, Harry |
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| 2/8/2001 10:04 GMT |
Paul Boothby |
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| Liked Stuarts message about the 6's & 7's of the past. Looking back at my memories at cleveland Park from 1973 onwards I can think of at least 90 riders who rode at reserve (dont forget the daft years with the 8 man teams). Most of the 'big' boro riders who stayed with us for years spent at least one spell in the reserve slot at either the beginning or the end of their careers (even Mr. Wilcock spent two spells there - in 1976 and again in 1989 & 90)and some spent their entire careers there (we'll save the embarrasment of naming names here - they know who they are). But I think Stuart's right, it's the lads that used to turn up for the after meeting races week after week, hoping to get a ride in the Reserve Scurry (no Conference League then mate), eventually gaining a coveted reserve jacket that deserve some credit, the ones that used to get called the 'lifeblood of the sport'. The epitome of some riders careers was an injury to a team member allowing them to turn out as a number 8. Others came as 'established' riders in other motorcycle sports and big things were expected from them. Yet others came from abroad (Mainly the Antipodes early on, but later from darkest Europe (in in some cases Europe must have been very dark). Here's some names from the past to conjure with (including some from all of the above categories):- Ian Atkinson, Alan Armstrong, Andy Buck (not the Eastbourne one), Mike Beaumont, Bill Beveridge, Tracey Bray, Tom Black, David Clay, John Clegg, Rob Carter, Mal Davis, David Edwards, Colin Earl, Tony Forward, Glenn Hornby, Dave Holiday, Graham Hartley, Martin Jones, Pete Johnson, Brian Johnson, Dave Levings, Peter Nightingale, Martin Peterca, John Place, Carsten Pelzmann, John Robson, Col Rogerson, Mike Sanderson, Ian Silk, Merv Salt (who was famously pictured in a Tigers programme with Bruce Forrester under the name Meru Calt), Max Schofield , Trevor Stead, Roland Tebbs, Peter Tarrant, Martin Vinther, Shaun Venables, Bob Watts, Ian Wedgwood et al . Not to mention my own special favourite Colin (The Mad Monk) Pestell. Gentlemen, I salute you. Thanks for the memories. P.S. Does anyone remember a match in the New National League in 1975 when the Tigers fielded the following team against Mildenhall:- 1) Tom Leadbitter 2) Colin Pestell 3)Doug Underwood 4) Pete Reading 5)Brian Johnson 6) Graham Hartley 7) Trevor Stead.... AND WE WON !! 45-33 P.P.S. My wife would never forgive me if I didn't mention Martyn Cusworth. Not because he fits into any of the categories above, she just wouldn't forgive me. Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to prattle on....and if I've missed your favourite reserves I offer my apologies......Boothers |
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| 28/7/2001 21:06 GMT |
Richard Nicholson |
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| A very interesting page keep up the good work. |
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| 10/7/2001 01:40 GMT |
Jim Burdfield |
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| G DAY everybody again, great site, so much effort put in. Have just read and seen the pictures of the demise of middlesbrough speedway, it saddens me greatly as my time there meant so much to me & Jenny. We hope to holiday back over your way soon and would be great to meet up with friends again. What are Brian & Madge Haverlock up to, Steve wilcock, are the Swales up to any new ventures. Please reply. take care, JIMBO |
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| 14/6/2001 16:34 GMT |
Ken Burnett |
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| Brilliant stuff, and if you get any old cine film (any club / rider / year), send it to me and i will make a special video, profits to the Boro' and return original unharmed. Ken Burnett (producer T2Tv) 23, Eastbourne Road, WESTHAM, Pevensey, East Sussex BN24 5NE. |
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